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| Tinny | Jan 23 2017, 08:24 PM Post #46 |
 
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I have no idea what you're trying to say, you seem to be leaving out quite a few movies now with that statement, especially when previously you were talking about every movie having it. At which point I have to ask what the issue is if only the NC-17 movies can have this kind of hardcore porn? There will still be other movies with lower ratings that want to reach a more general audience or simply don't have porn in their vision of their movie. In fact it feels at this point like this could be summed up as not liking it when movies put certain things in, rather than actually(or talking about why we should) trying to prevent the situation of "Imagine every movie found an excuse to put a 20 minute or more hard core sex scene in," you described earlier. Because you seem to have just pointed out exactly that this is in no way the case, and if it's not the case, then what's the issue? A movie you'd like if not for one scene is hardly unique to porn being in a movie, I don't like scenes of massive embarrassment for the characters I follow for example, that does not meant I want to... I dunno, outlaw(?) this stuff. Edited by Tinny, Jan 23 2017, 08:25 PM.
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| + Steve | Jan 23 2017, 08:51 PM Post #47 |
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What I was getting at is if sex wasn't stigmatized at all and also not kept as a separate form of media, it would be used to gain popularity in a movie rather than just making a good movie. People would clamour to see a movie if it was said that a really attractive actress has a hardcore sex scene in it if there was no line between movies and the sex industry. Can't imagine how many times "The Fappening" was downloaded just because people wanted to see Jennifer Lawrence's breasts. Imagine she were to have actual sex in a movie? In a world where that was considered okay it'd happen a lot more because it would work, people would go see that movie just for the porn. It could probably be as exciting as the trade federation bulls*** in the Star Wars prequels and otherwise have a high quality sex scene in it to be considered a good watch. It's a trend that would instantly catch on and it'd do nothing but damage societies perception of mainly women. Applies to music as well, the most popular stars tend to have huge amounts of sexual imagery in their videos or the lyrics are largely about sex. Imagine they added porn in or got naked during live shows? Far better to keep the sex industry it's own thing and have people celebrated outside it for non-sex based achievements and people within celebrated for their sex based achievements. Jenna Jameson has a net worth of about 30 million, good on her. Many would kill for half that amount of money. (I think she's the most popular/wealthy female porn star, it's hard to get information out of the many ad infested clickbait BS websites) |
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| tOMMY pICKLES | Jan 23 2017, 08:52 PM Post #48 |
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there already is a huge market for hardcore sex in films. in adult films.. on the internet. why in christ would i go to watch a movie for a 20 minute sex scene when i can stay home naked and watch 4 hours of christy mack and mia malkova POVs |
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| + Steve | Jan 23 2017, 08:59 PM Post #49 |
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Not for the sex scene but who's having sex in it. Again I'll pick Emma Watson because why not, if she were to have a hardcore sex scene there'd be many people wanting to watch the movie just for that because many are obsessed with her looks. As it stands now people would be outraged but in a "do whatever you want" world this would be a neat way to earn huge amounts of money with little effort. Even though like I said there's probably trillions of hours worth of porn on the internet, it would work and it's dumb that it would. Popular celebrity women can earn millions just for showing a bit of nipple, it's ludicrous. Considering the stuff actual sex workers do. Edited by Steve, Jan 23 2017, 09:03 PM.
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| Meowth | Jan 23 2017, 11:37 PM Post #50 |
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Okay, I don't know if you are prepared for this, so I'm going to put it in spoiler tags, take a few breaths and prepare to be shocked. Spoiler: click to toggle Okay, now that's out of the way, stalkerish behaviour isn't going to chance just because you stop having sex scenes in films, I do find sex scenes quite boring to be honest, they add nothing to the plot. But if someone is obsessed with how someone looks, they will just edit actual porn with the persons face on, that has happened and will always happen, but that's an obsession. What you asked in the OP was if a woman (or in addition to your OP, a man) be able to make money just by selling their image? Yes, there is no harm in that, it is a legitimate market. But then you went down the slippery slope of OH BUT WHAT ABOUT MUSICIANS? Well they don't have to do it, they can carry on making music. Also, making huge amount for little effort? That happens with a lot of areas, should everything that requires minimal effort have a wage cap? Big name footballers don't deserve the money they earn, half a mil a week for kicking a ball around? Great, not worth that much. Being on reality TV for being a funny idiot? It's easy money. Jesus, making clickbait videos about something recent, loads of money in that for minimal effort, or even that bloody 1000 degree knife, easy dosh. Unless you're proposing putting a cap on making easy money, I'm not sure what your argument is at this point. |
 
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| Political Piper | Jan 23 2017, 11:41 PM Post #51 |
 
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A similar thing is happening with curse words. If you turn to comedy central late at night in the US, you will see TV shows saying the F word and all kinds of cursing. Ten years ago you could only hear that word on PPV. I think something similar will be happening with sex. It actually already is. Kids are controlled by social media these days. Any kid today can go on google on their phone and type in naked girls or boys and you get thousands of pictures. It seems like today's youth are becoming predisposed to things we as children may have found morally reprehensible. I predict similar aspects will begin transferring into TV. It won't be long until you see rated R movies on TV. |
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| Daemon Keido | Jan 24 2017, 12:12 AM Post #52 |
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You mean things YOU in particular find morally reprehensible. Morality is not a chart of absolutes. |
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| Sam | Jan 24 2017, 12:34 AM Post #53 |
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I feel like you're living in the past quite a bit, man. No offense, but, I mean, when I was a kid I saw nudity in artwork and in just random magazines that were around several people's homes. Not full on nudity, but, very sexually suggestive. One of my friends' parents had pornographic VHS just sitting underneath his television! This is just your opinion. Honestly, the political correctness in sheltering our kids from everything is a bit much. The world is growing, we can't be Luddites and try to isolate them. I don't think kids should be given social media at a young age, but, I hardly see it as some problem with this generation of millennials. |
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| + Steve | Jan 24 2017, 12:18 PM Post #54 |
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Did you catch the part where I said "hardcore" or are you continuing to not read my posts because I'm not sure why I should read yours if so. In case you don't know, a hard core sex scene would involve unsimulated sex shown on screen, not two actors rubbing against each other pretending to have sex. The more you know.
That misses the point though, if they could do it they would simply because sex sells. They already exploit sexuality and mainly women to that end, I've lost count of the amount of music videos I've seen featuring half naked, soaking wet women dancing around. Virtually every female pop singer uses sex to their advantage already...so why wouldn't they go further than that if they were allowed to? (Just women hard at work not doing anything sexual at all, every woman I know does DIY half naked and glistening with sweat, building sites are a huge distraction) (also worth noting how that has over 5 million views even though the song was released in 2003 and was barely known about in 2012...I wonder why it got so many views? The YouTuber barely has more than 3000 subs, odd)
What I asked was should they be able to exploit their image for profit in a market where it isn't appropriate, hence why I excluded porn stars and other sex workers because that is their job, they have every right to use their body in the sex industry because that's what the sex industry is. A YouTuber shouldn't be allowed to advertise porn on another website to get subscribers and money on YouTube. Same with Instagram and Twitch. Also...no? Footballers have to do a ton of training and put effort in to keeping fit and being able to play the sport well enough to earn that much money and comedians and whatnot have to know how to make people laugh as well as have the confidence to speak in front of potentially thousands of people. Any idiot with a phone can make porn. Do I have to demonstrate? 'Cause I think I know how to capture a video and upload it. Just I won't end up earning millions because I can't exploit my sexuality for much monetary gain due to being unattractive and a male. Unless I become some epic meme, go viral and sell shirts with it for 15 minutes of fame. Could probably go on Celebrity Big Brother a few years later...ideas. |
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| Meowth | Jan 24 2017, 01:40 PM Post #55 |
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If it's so easy to make porn and make money from it, why aren't you doing it? Why isn't everyone doing it already? Because some people don't enjoy doing that stuff. Footballers are over paid for what they do, £500k a week is a silly amount of money, when someone who works 9-5 6 days a week doing some menial task like cleaning vomit stained floors gets paid minimum wage, that work is far harder than doing something you enjoy. Unless they enjoy cleaning floors for a living (hint: most people don't). The problem with society is that people who actually do the hard work we need are treated like dirt and paid pennies, bus driver, cashiers, cleaners, teachers, etc. Porn isn't the problem, it's actually quite hard to make good dollar from a few porn videos, you do have to put some effort in, but people enjoy it. If you mean the Youtubers who have low cut tops, they do often have something else to draw people in because unsurprisingly, there are a lot of women with low cut tops who can do the same thing. If someone in the porn industry has a Youtube account that they upload vlogs or gaming commentary to, what's the problem with them using their existing contacts to get followers to it? Nothing, so long as they are following the terms of Youtube and other services, they aren't breaking any rules. Also, I'm getting bored of playing with words, it's about time you showed some examples of what you are talking about, rather than hypotheticals. |
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| Political Piper | Jan 26 2017, 11:41 PM Post #56 |
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Not necessarily. If you equate morality based on religion, then you separate the the groups of a country based on the population of the group, so in this case the US is composed of 71% Christians. Then you can reasonably conclude that the morality of a nation could be most aptly characterized as the morality of the dominant group. Then you can focus on specifics, which would be the 10 Commandments in this case. |
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| Political Piper | Jan 26 2017, 11:47 PM Post #57 |
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Do you believe that kids should be having sex in their teens? I ask because it's common knowledge that many kids are impressionable. They act out what they see in movies, or on TV. This is with everything from gun crimes, to Dexter wannabees, to theifs, etc. So if you think that kids should be open to all things new without any parental guidance of right and wrong, then doesn't that lead to irresponsible behavior and consequences? Is a 13 year old girl really old enough to be a mother? If so, then why is it 18 to legally have sex with a teenager? It's not old fashioned to believe that with more open mindedness comes more open activity, and that activity may be done by children who aren't old enough to understand the consequences of their actions. Edited by Political Piper, Jan 26 2017, 11:52 PM.
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| Sam | Jan 28 2017, 04:02 AM Post #58 |
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If it's consenting, then yes. Kids should be allowed to have sex in their teens. 13 is a bit young, but, honestly, when I was in High School, some kids lost it at 12-13. It's like the old abstinence vs. protection debate. Abstinence just doesn't work. Sheltering our kids just doesn't work. Educating them is the only thing we can do and trying to stop them from doing everything we couldn't or weren't allowed to do is only going to make them want to do it even more. Legality =/= morality. The reason it's 18 years old - 16 years old in some U.S. states, 14 in some countries, so, again... legality has nothing to do with it - is because that's the age that someone is considered an adult in the United States. You're no longer a minor. Meaning, legally speaking, you're responsible for any consensual sex. Likewise, if both consenting parties are minors, that's also not a problem because they are on the same level legally. It only becomes a problem when it becomes statutory rape, or an 18+ year old having sex with a consenting minor. I'm sorta failing to see your point, friend. Dexter wannabes? I have yet to hear about anyone going out and plastic wrapping murderers to tables and plunging a knife into their heart. But I'm sure anyone can dig up a couple of articles as examples to raise the fear. |
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| Political Piper | Jan 28 2017, 07:16 PM Post #59 |
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Yeah I actually saw it on a true crime show. One kid tried to kill another using Dexter's Modus Operandi, but the kid got away. Then another used Dexter's MO to butcher his girlfriend. Sadly, she didn't. As for consenting kids, I lost my virginity when I was 14, but I know a couple who had kids who said they just didn't want to pull out. =\ But you actually just agreed with my earlier post. The parents need to educate their kids. Without parental guidance many young children just aren't mature to understand the significance of their actions. It has nothing to do with sheltering our children, it has everything to do with guiding out children. |
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| Daemon Keido | Jan 29 2017, 01:43 AM Post #60 |
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Except your own founding fathers were Deists, not fundamentalists. They organized the seperation from church and state. If the Bible was the basis for law, why bother? America was founded on NOT forcing a people down a path they did not want, was it not? |
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