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| + Steve | Jan 23 2017, 02:53 PM Post #31 |
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It doesn't really, most people don't unsubscribe from things like this other than ones where you're directly charged for subscriptions like Twitch. If you're involved in any form of controversy you come away from it well off and people stick around for ages. Just to reiterate, I have no problems with people who want to be prostitutes or porn stars etc etc but it's considerably harder to be successful in those lines of work. If you want to be a female porn star you can't be earning millions from your first movie unless you're ridiculously good looking or were previously famous. It's hard and often dangerous work. (I say female because lets face it most male porn stars might as well be floating dicks for the amount of recognition they get) But if you cheat the system with other services you can be earning millions with little effort on your part, by crossing over from the sex market. I don't think that should be allowed at all. Imagine getting an mechanical engineering degree because you made a video tutorial on how to put a wheel on a car. All in all I think we should make sure the sex industry remains separate. It's stupid how much money mostly women can make elsewhere due to it. As a society sex appeal seems to be far too focused on, a lot of the most popular celebrities are always up there because they're attractive. Even if they don't do or say anything interesting or important that wasn't written down by someone else. This may go away with time but it could also just get worse to a point where people are only valued for their "assets" rather than their contribution to the world. Either sex just becomes neutral and far less a point of interest or because there's no stigma everyone opts for that to get attention and society devolves in to a mess of primal instincts. I hope we choose a more interesting path. |
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| Meowth | Jan 23 2017, 03:57 PM Post #32 |
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That's not an equal comparison, an equal comparison would be getting paid hundreds just for putting a wheel on a chair, and why not? If someone is willing to pay for it, so be it, it's their money. If someone wants to waste their money on pointless videos, it's their choice, just as it's the persons choice to exploit that market. People exploit all sorts of markets, there are websites and advertises who you clickbait titles to draw you in, how is that any worse? You are a free person, you are free to resist people exploiting sex as much as your are free to not click on clickbait titles. You can't remove freedoms from people just because you disagree with the choices, otherwise, when does it stop? What other freedoms do we remove? I don't like people wearing trousers halfway down their butt, but I don't think it should be forbidden, it's their choice to look stupid. |
 
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| * Mitas | Jan 23 2017, 05:01 PM Post #33 |
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I should say, I was more playing devil's advocate with my post because I'm not against women, or men for that matter, using their sexuality for job/money etc, and I agree that professions like pornography and prostitution should be treated as professions in order to create safer working environments for those involved. I just don't believe that it's totally harmless. |
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| + Steve | Jan 23 2017, 06:02 PM Post #34 |
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I'm all for liberty but I don't think it should be limitless, that's asking for problems. Don't see why we can't have restrictions. We already do. We don't put sex in kids shows so why do we have sex being a big deal in practically every other visual media? I can see why people opt for the "People should be able to do whatever they want and express themselves however they want" view on this but for the worlds attitude towards women that's kind of stupid. Imagine Emma Watson wouldn't receive any negativity for releasing a sex tape or nude photos, suddenly she'd be much more popular under the "Do whatever you want" banner. Especially if she advertised it everywhere. And then other female celebrities do the same thing, suddenly it becomes the easy way to get more rich and famous, eventually one of the only ways people bother to get famous...and then we end up in a society where women can certainly do whatever they want, which is great but then they are still only really valued for their bodies because there's no divide between sex and non sex based media. Men would probably be dragged in to that too, who cares if Sir Ian McKellan is a fantastic actor, he has wrinkles, ew. That would be a pretty disgusting and primitive society to live in and seems like it'd be going far backwards for women, being allowed to do anything doesn't mean you'll be appreciated for everything and everyone else is free to only appreciate your body. We can't change how people view sex but we can make sure society doesn't devolve in to a sex obsessed reality TV show where it's all people talk and care about. I don't see how anyone could think that would be a good thing. Keeping different forms of media separate with their own rule sets and views keeps people being respected within their own community. |
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| Meowth | Jan 23 2017, 06:28 PM Post #35 |
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Ah, the slippery slope fallacy, I was missing that one on my fallacy bingo. If we allow women or men to take advantage of the sex market, between other consenting adults, or even viewers are of legal age, nothing is going to happen, the world will still turn. 13 year old drooling over tits on a video, yeah? That's also natural behaviour, puberty does that. If it's pornographic, yeah they shouldn't be watching it, but that's a problem for the parents, not the state, the state shouldn't act as a nanny. If Emma Watson wants to make a sex tape or post nude photos of herself, so be it, she is an adult and if she is compos mentis when she does it, so be it! That's her choice and people are free to draw up their own opinions on what they think, some might like it and others might think it's gross, just as you seem to find the idea of Sir Ian McKellan doing it gross. It's not something people are forced to do, I don't even know where you are getting that idea from, people should have the choice. God forbid people have a choice in what they do with their lives. |
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| + Steve | Jan 23 2017, 06:41 PM Post #36 |
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It's hardly a fallacy if you just think about the implications of the lack of a divide. One of the most talked about women today is famous because she had sex with some nobody and made a career out of the tape and showing off her body. Why should we not aim for a society where all people aim for something better than that? People shouldn't be valued for their bodies unless they are specifically in the sex industry. Most everyone likes sex, if you observe how absurdly popular celebrity sex tapes and such are you see how much people like it and they wouldn't suddenly not like sex if every celebrity was doing the same thing. That if anything would just create a stigma against celebrities that aren't willing to show off, they'd be considered prude and uninteresting. Women being valued for only their looks would just get worse if there was no divide between things. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jan 23 2017, 06:45 PM Post #37 |
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Again, that's an issue with society. If this was a 'normal' thing, people wouldn't bat an eye at pornography or prostitution. Imagine how much money could be made through tax, and how many jobs would be created by having a formal system. |
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| Meowth | Jan 23 2017, 06:49 PM Post #38 |
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Some people like to have sex, it's what they enjoy, why not pay them for it? I don't really understand your point at all, are you a bit prudish? There's nothing wrong with that, unless you are trying to force those values onto others. That's the real problem with the world, values of others, sensitive to certain issues are pushed onto others, causing these things to go underground. Legalise the sex industry and literally, the world will still keep turning, in fact, crime might even go down as a result! Those people work in the sex industry would have better access to healthcare and the proper protection, both sexually and in the form of security. Society won't go down the toilet because of sex, people won't be forced into sex. Funny thing is, people are more likely to be forced into sex when there is no regulation.
I love how you keep mentioning looks, you don't have to be a pretty face to work in the sex industry. Anyway, I'm done with this argument, your mind is about as open as my purse when someone asks for money. |
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| + Steve | Jan 23 2017, 06:53 PM Post #39 |
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That's where I'm taking my issue though. If someone is a porn star they should be respected as a porn star. They shouldn't be able to pick up a guitar and suddenly be a really popular musician(even if they're not very good) just because they get their tits out elsewhere but that's what would happen, porn star X suddenly being a musician would be big news because there's loads of porn of them to whack off too. Or vice versa with a musician becoming a porn star, their fame in music would rub off on their popularity as a porn star. Most of the popular women of more recent generations are way too valued for how they look rather than their actual talent as an individual. People should be respected for what they do, within the community of what they do. I have nothing against sex or sex workers just the dumbing down of society to the most base desires. EDIT I have said multiple times that I don't care about people being sex workers, it's even in my opening post. If people aren't going to read what I'm saying then I don't give a damn what they think of my mind. Edited by Steve, Jan 23 2017, 06:55 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Jan 23 2017, 07:05 PM Post #40 |
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I mean, why shouldn't society be 'dumbed down' in that sense? There's a market for it, and it's not as if the entirety of society's gonna be sex-obsessed, the market will just grow a little. It'll put a lot more money into economies and would actually lead to a healthier society. Instead of bottling up all this sexual, I dunno what you'd call it, 'frustration'(?), people wouldn't get into such a moral panic about the topic. But people who do porn or get into porn are popular anyway, unless you want to entirely ban all things sexual, that's just a fact of life that people have to deal with. I don't see any reasonable, feasible solution to porn stars becoming popular in other fields due to their history and previous career. ] Also, there's been a lot of talk of female prostitutes and porn stars here, but what about male prostitutes and porn stars? |
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| + Steve | Jan 23 2017, 07:21 PM Post #41 |
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Literally all that needs to be done there is for people to accept the sex industry as being okay though. There's nothing wrong with that, I watch an ungodly amount of porn myself. The problem is that it shouldn't invade every other industry more than it does so already because it just waters them all down. Imagine every popular star in every field was there because they take their clothes off, that's just sad. A musician or an actor should be respected for their talents as an actor or musician not what they do with sex.
The solution would be for people to stop valuing sex and looks where they're not important. Tom Hardy shouldn't have a huge fan base because he's gorgeous, people should respect his talent as an actor. (I'm not saying people don't here but no way would he be as popular if he was considered ugly)
...can you, name any? I can name one and it's only because of a huge controversy about him potentially raping someone. It's pretty blatant that the sex industry revolves almost entirely around women, like I said before male porn stars might as well be floating penises because men don't get nearly as much attention or money as female porn stars they're a means to an end really. I guess you could say it revolves around men and their desires, either or. Women are the definite focus of it though. Which is obviously due to how society views women, hence why that's where my problem is. Sex is great. Food is great. Sex and food generally don't mix, not for most people anyway. Movies are great too but imagine every movie found an excuse to put a 20 minute or more hard core sex scene in, how dull would that be. Edited by Steve, Jan 23 2017, 07:27 PM.
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| Tinny | Jan 23 2017, 07:59 PM Post #42 |
 
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Few questions.
Realistically, what does this mean? Keep in mind that PG-13 films are still more popular than R rated (which is ok to be shown in theaters) films on average, least last I checked in the USA.
Again, how does this event realistically happen? iirc PG-13 flims on average outsale R-rated flims. Edited by Tinny, Jan 23 2017, 08:00 PM.
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| tOMMY pICKLES | Jan 23 2017, 08:09 PM Post #43 |
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sex sells. if some woman want to use their bodies to gain fame and fortune, who cares, im all for it. why would movies put in 20 minute sex scenes. it would cut there audience down big time and make way less money. no one would go to the cinema to watch a movie for a 20 minute sex scene when they could just rub one off on the toilet on there phone right before the show if they wanted |
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| + Steve | Jan 23 2017, 08:15 PM Post #44 |
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That's just because the greatly increases the amount of people who can watch a movie. If you were to limit it to just adults R rated and regular movies would probably have very different stats. Especially now that since Deadpool was so popular R rated movies are going to get a boost because studios can see the market there. And with how popular shows like Westworld and Game of Thrones are it's hard to imagine there not being sex scenes in more movies even though they add almost nothing to a story. Not that those are popular because of sex scenes/imagery. If more hardcore sex would get your movie much more popular it'd be in many more movies, it's just still considered a bit strange to put porn in a movie. If sex became part of every industry I doubt the laws around it would stay the exact same, you'd probably be able to watch porn at a younger age if the world was that fanatical about sex being the most interesting thing a person can do. |
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| Dankness Lava | Jan 23 2017, 08:17 PM Post #45 |
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The lines between different media have been getting more and more blurred in every other category, it's naturally gonna happen to sex as well. And it has been already. |
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