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| DrewHak | Jan 18 2017, 03:49 AM Post #1 |
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I was reading an interesting article about the possibility that extinct species could be reintroduced into the world, not necessarily ancient species like dinosaurs but more recently extinct species such as the passenger pigeon, the woolly mammoth, or the Pyrenean Ibex. I can't find the exact article but I did find something similar, a national geographic article. Several other animals that could be brought back through "de-extinction", essentially cloning are listed, such as the dodo and the great auk, the thylacine and the Chinese river dolphin. There is a lot more about the subject in the article. But one thing is mentioned at the beginning. An attempt was made back in the early 2000s to bring back the Pyrenean Ibex, the last remaining one, Celia, was captured, had cells taken and preserved, while a collar was put on her to tell researchers when she died. She died nine months later when a tree fell on her.
Sadly enough, the clone died minutes later from a lung defect, yet it was the first cloned extinct animal, Celia's clone. It has been proven that extinct species can thus be cloned with proper DNA, but it remains to be seen if the animals will live through the process. What do you guys think about this? Are you pro "de-extinction"? Why or why not? The link to the article is here for your view purposes: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2013/04/species-revival-bringing-back-extinct-animals/ Edited by DrewHak, Jan 18 2017, 03:50 AM.
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| Dingo | Jan 18 2017, 04:24 AM Post #2 |
 
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Would they be able to survive in our modern ecosystems? I think that technology could useful for preserving endangered species but I don't see much point in spending much time trying to bring back long dead animals. We 're having a hard enough time keeping what we still have. The global endangered species list grows. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 18 2017, 04:27 AM Post #3 |
 
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If they can survive in the current environment, sure, I'm for it. There'd have to be laws to preserve them, of course, or you'd have rich ballbags killing them off immediately. |
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| + Ginyu | Jan 18 2017, 08:01 AM Post #4 |
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No way. Only in a controlled environment for research. You can never guess what kind of impact an animal has on an ecosystem. |
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| lazerbem | Jan 18 2017, 12:58 PM Post #5 |
 
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But we can for recently extinct species. These areanimals that went extinct in just the last century and were well documented |
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| Sam | Jan 18 2017, 01:10 PM Post #6 |
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Anything that's recently extinct, sure. They likely can survive in the environment and if we're willing to undo a little of the damage we've caused, then I'm for it. However, woolly mammoths would probably just be best if you cloned a couple of them for scientific purposes  not try to re-enter them into the ecosystem. That would be... interesting, to say the least. And probably quite a bad idea. Anything past that, and I don't see it as scientifically realistic in our lifetimes. Like the Triassic period animals - I don't see that becoming possible. But who knows. Same thing would apply to them as with the mammoths, in any case.
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Jan 18 2017, 02:31 PM Post #7 |
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I didn't read all of the comments, so forgive me if this has already been said, but I wouldn't mess with bringing back species that have been extinct for a long time. You mentioned the woolly mammoth. We don't really know what sort of impact those animals would have on our current ecosystem. They could die out again or drive other species toward extinction. There's no use bringing back a species just to keep it in captivity. If it's something that recently died out that has a good chance of surviving again in the wild (which I doubt, otherwise they would not have gone extinct) I'm all for it, but I see no point in bringing back a species just to sell it to various zoos for the amusement of humans. There is a reason these animals died out. That reason may have been us, but bringing them back would only cause more problems. |
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| + Steve | Jan 18 2017, 05:16 PM Post #8 |
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If it's recently extinct as a result of our actions, then certainly. If it's a potentially dangerous animal like a woolly mammoth then only in a controlled environment. They would definitely do more harm than good to any ecosystem and would probably just starve to death in any suitable location for them, obviously they'd just freaking melt in the likes of Africa. It's definitely worth having the knowledge on how to clone things in order to perfect it, I disagree with any "it's against the laws of nature!" sentiment because so is all medical science but you won't catch many people refusing cancer treatment or organ transplants. As long as they're not also bringing back extinct diseases that could wipe out humanity or any other species it's worth trying just for the knowledge. |
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| * Mitas | Jan 18 2017, 05:40 PM Post #9 |
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I was gonna pretend to care about their welfare, but honestly, bringing them back for Zoos would be a pretty cool idea. I guess they could go Jurassic Park-style and create environments for them to thrive in, or Extinct Safaris. |
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| Darker | Jan 18 2017, 05:51 PM Post #10 |
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As long as the zoos don't have them in incredibly tiny environments, I'd be cool with that. |
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| Dingo | Jan 18 2017, 06:02 PM Post #11 |
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@Two above 1)Do you guys think having them in zoos is worth the initial suffering some of the creations will experience during the trial and error stage of cloning? Birth defects etc. 2)What are the chances they are are able to create a perfect clone of these animals? I knw nothing about this. Is one of the potential flaws the chance that the clones are not true clones but instead a best guess at what the animal was like. For example let's say they brought back the woolly mammoth but found that they grew larger/smaller had more hair/less hair than the mammoths of the past actual had. Is it still a wooly mammoth or something new? Edited by Dingo, Jan 18 2017, 06:03 PM.
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| * Mitas | Jan 18 2017, 06:21 PM Post #12 |
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To be honest, I just naively overlooked the trial and error side of it. Yeah, it probably isn't worth the suffering of the failed attempts if the sole aim is just to do it because we can do it. |
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Jan 18 2017, 06:26 PM Post #13 |
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To answer this question, we really need think about why we would do it and if it's really necessary. I don't think that it is. |
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| + Steve | Jan 18 2017, 07:29 PM Post #14 |
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For suffering, as mean as this sounds, I don't think it really matters. I mean people say that but people also don't make much effort to change the abhorrent conditions many livestock animals are kept in. Is it really any worse than that? We should be mindful of suffering but just because there might be some isn't really any reason not to do it when we put up with much needless suffering elsewhere. As long as we're not cloning them to be like "I wonder how fast these things die when set on fire" I wouldn't have any problem with it, it'd be fascinating. All we've ever seen are bones and CGI interpretations of what things may have looked like. I think disease would definitely be the biggest danger, you can't really tell what a creature has a high chance to develop from just the bones left of it's 20,000 year old corpse. Like how many lizards can give you salmonella from their saliva, we know that but we have no idea what a sabre tooth tiger could spread. There could also be parasitic insects that form in them that would be very dangerous to other animals. Of course there would likely be precautions in it not like scientists would just create them and throw them out in to the wild...I hope. |
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| DrewHak | Jan 18 2017, 08:01 PM Post #15 |
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On the topic of animal's suffering, the way I see it, the ability to some what "right the wrongs" done by humans to animals, causing them to go extinct, is something worth doing even if it causes some pain and trauma to the clones. There are horrible living conditions for animals all over the world, in butcheries, places where they grow livestock and the like, they're treated horribly. You don't see people stopping this commodities because of what they do to animals. I still do think that the clones shouldn't be experimented on, the sole exception would be checking the cause of premature death, such as in the case of Celia's Clone, where they found that really hard tissue had grown in her lung. On the topic of the cloned animals environment/ecosystem, perhaps a simulation, despite being for public entertainment most likely, would be best, our world, riddled with environmental problems and global warming and the like might not be safe for some animals we want back. Putting them in the simulation of where they used to live would be best for their survival. All I would really about is that the animals aren't contained like they are in some zoos, in small cages, very little room, always being surrounded by people, i'm sure it's nerve racking to the animals at best. And the most important thing to me, despite all of these factors in replicating species, is the inherent danger to it. There's a term, moral hazard. It essentially means that when you have a solution to an issue, you can ignore what causes the problem (IE: You have insurance on tsunami or water damage to your house, you think you can build a beachfront house in an area prone to these things because you're insured.) I would hate if people thought processes became "we can bring back species, who cares if we mess with their environment? Who cares if we hunt them?" Life and the environment should never become a game to people. Edited by DrewHak, Jan 18 2017, 08:02 PM.
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