Debunking the Reincarnation Belief

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Debunking the Reincarnation Belief
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Political Piper	Jan 18 2017, 01:07 AM Post #1
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	So I was thinking about this the other day. I listen to Styxhexenhammer666 on youtube, primarily for his political videos but he also does Occult videos and I've watched a few of them. He had an interview with a woman who said she remembered her past life and she discussed it. Upon further research I discovered that a big belief in the Occult is in reincarnation. So here is my argument. If reincarnation is indeed true, and when we die we come back as someone else, then how is the world population growing by a 2.4 - 1 Birth to Death ratio? It should not be possible for more reincarnations to happen if there aren't enough people dying to accommodate those births.. Thoughts?
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Tinny	Jan 18 2017, 01:13 AM Post #2
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Reincarnation by itself doesn't make it so new souls can't be born every day. You're going to have to get a specific belief system to examine before you can even really discuss this in depth.
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Political Piper	Jan 18 2017, 01:25 AM Post #3
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Tinny Jan 18 2017, 01:13 AM Reincarnation by itself doesn't make it so new souls can't be born every day. You're going to have to get a specific belief system to examine before you can even really discuss this in depth. Isn't the point of reincarnation is where you live over and over again? At least it was in my Theology class years ago. I don't think a specific religion is needed if the fundamental question relies strictly with the act of reincarnation. Which is that a soul travels to another life force after it's physical body at the current realm dies. Are you saying there are different types of reincarnation doctrines predicated by various religions?
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Daemon Keido	Jan 18 2017, 01:31 AM Post #4
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	I am always a little uncomfortable trying to debunk an actual religious belief so I won't discuss this on that aspect. Discussing logical fallacies is ok but outright trying to disprove the faith is a bad move to try. On topic, reincarnation is a matter whose rules are determined by which fsith you are basing it around. Hindu faith has you reincarnating forever until you can reach spiritual enlightenment and enter Nirvana. You also reincarnate based on your personal karma and can come back as a human or any number of animal. By Hindu thought, you theorectically reincarnate eternally until you break the cycle yourself.
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Political Piper	Jan 18 2017, 01:47 AM Post #5
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 18 2017, 01:31 AM I am always a little uncomfortable trying to debunk an actual religious belief so I won't discuss this on that aspect. Discussing logical fallacies is ok but outright trying to disprove the faith is a bad move to try. On topic, reincarnation is a matter whose rules are determined by which fsith you are basing it around. Hindu faith has you reincarnating forever until you can reach spiritual enlightenment and enter Nirvana. You also reincarnate based on your personal karma and can come back as a human or any number of animal. By Hindu thought, you theorectically reincarnate eternally until you break the cycle yourself. Which is what my last comment was asking -->, "Are you saying there are different types of reincarnation doctrines predicated by various religions?" But regardless of a specific belief or religion, if the concept of reincarnation is predicated upon dying and returning, then the population should remain stagnant - since before you return you have to die. That is the ethos of reincarnation Quote: Dictionary.com Reincarnation definition - the belief that the soul, upon death of the body, comes back to earth in another body or form. Reincarnation is based on incarnation, which is: a living being embodying a deity or spirit. So only an incarnate can reincarnate, thus the incarnate has to die before the reincarnation cycle can begin. Based on this, shouldn't we see stagnation in regards to the world population and not massive growth like we are now? Edited by Political Piper, Jan 18 2017, 01:48 AM.
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+ Steve	Jan 18 2017, 01:53 AM Post #6
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	It depends on the belief but most of them are pretty solid. There's one, possibly Buddhism where you get 7 lives I believe, so that would put a limit on it. But I don't think any of them suggest that as soon as you die you become another person, usually there's some sort of time between each life. And then there's other beliefs where you don't only come back as a human. Those make the most sense to me, it would explain extraordinarily intelligent creatures compared to the rest of their species and the frequency of that or lack thereof can be attributed to the probability of you becoming something like an ant before any large animal or human again. I feel like there is some grain of truth in it, there's too many weird happenings in the world for me to count it out. Like people remembering past lives with accurate information or sustaining a head injury and somehow becoming fluent in a totally different language or completely changing personality. Maybe reincarnation explains why many people are so bafflingly stupid, perhaps they were a dung beetle or something before being a human.
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Political Piper	Jan 18 2017, 02:05 AM Post #7
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Steve Jan 18 2017, 01:53 AM It depends on the belief but most of them are pretty solid. There's one, possibly Buddhism where you get 7 lives I believe, so that would put a limit on it. But I don't think any of them suggest that as soon as you die you become another person, usually there's some sort of time between each life. And then there's other beliefs where you don't only come back as a human. Those make the most sense to me, it would explain extraordinarily intelligent creatures compared to the rest of their species and the frequency of that or lack thereof can be attributed to the probability of you becoming something like an ant before any large animal or human again. I feel like there is some grain of truth in it, there's too many weird happenings in the world for me to count it out. Like people remembering past lives with accurate information or sustaining a head injury and somehow becoming fluent in a totally different language or completely changing personality. Maybe reincarnation explains why many people are so bafflingly stupid, perhaps they were a dung beetle or something before being a human. The animal theory I thought about. That was my other consideration but I believe in some religions animals don't have souls, which would contradict that belief, but only in those specific religions. But the animal one would make sense - sort of, which I'll explain soon. First, there is an issue with your other comment. If a human reincarnates strictly to another human, then it doesn't matter how long it takes for the reincarnation to begin, since the population is still growing of a 2.4-1 birth -death ratio. We can also transition this apparatus to the animal/human theory. At one point there had to be a limited number of, for lack of a better word, creatures. With the population to be at what it is now, that means there had to a large number of souls before evolution began, since the same concept can be applied that the creatures of this world have been growing for millenia. Think of it this way. Say I had 8 pizzas and after one is eaten another one crystallizes spontaneously to another pizza. Before I get my new crystallized pizza, I have to have eaten one of my current pizzas. It doesn't matter how long it takes for that pizza to crystallize after it is eaten because I won't get a new until one of my eaten pizzas recrystallizes. So if those pizzas take a long time to come back, then I will probably run out of pizzas before any resurface.. EDIT: All that pizza talk made me hungry for one, lol. I'm going to go throw one in the oven now Edited by Political Piper, Jan 18 2017, 02:09 AM.
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+ Steve	Jan 18 2017, 02:33 AM Post #8
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Well I don't think any of them ever claim that there's a finite number of souls out there really so it still works out, especially if your soul is in limbo or whatever for many years. Any that do claim the amount of souls in the world is finite...is wrong really. Unless they claim that many people aren't born with souls due to that but I think generally everyone is supposed to have one. We don't even know if this is the only planet with humans on it, perhaps souls migrate elsewhere in the universe even if only to people. Never understood the idea behind only humans having souls, kind of a dumb one really when there are so many worshipped animals and whatnot. I don't really believe in any specific religious take on it, with such limited perception of the universe I fail to see how any religion could have it right but the general idea of it makes a kind of sense, conservation of energy and all that if nothing else.
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