Republicans Pass Bill to Raise Debt $9,000,000,000,000

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Republicans Pass Bill to Raise Debt $9,000,000,000,000
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Political Piper	Jan 17 2017, 11:49 PM Post #1
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	As promised, I don't conform to partisan lines. If Trump or any elected official does something I think detrimental to public welfare of the American people, I will not hesitate to call them out on it. And this is one of those times. http://www.salon.com/2017/01/04/republicans-obamacare-repeal-plan-will-add-9-trillion-to-national-debt-but-that-doesnt-bother-them/ Republicans have passed a budget by saying it is the first step to repeal Obamacare, yet they conveniently left out that in this supposed bill to "repeal Obamacare" there is a much more serious provision, and that is a massive amount of debt to be accumulated within the next decade. Rand Paul voted against this bill as I knew he would. Some of you may remember that Rand Paul was my first choice as President primarily because Ron Paul was such a great candidate and potential leader. Trump only became an option due to the candidate the Dems nominated. I'm proud of Rand for sticking up for his Principles. If Republicans want to do this idiotic bill then they should first dismantle the Federal Reserve. Doing that would be the only way we can balance the budget while simultaneously passing this bill... However, that is no easy objective. But what we can do is reinstate JFK's Executive Order 11110 since it was never officially unsigned, which would allow the US treasury to print their own notes. This means that the US can print its own money, debt free, to fund this massive revenue bill.; similar to Lincoln's Greenback Law during the Civil War. We must hold all elected officials responsible for detrimental activity regardless of political affiliation, and more importantly, it's a shame we allow a privately owned bank to have complete control over our inflation, deflation, and the whole American economy. Thoughts?
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Daemon Keido	Jan 18 2017, 12:04 AM Post #2
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Well I'll be the first to admit I didn't think you could be nonpartisan, Piper. I apologise for that but I hope you can understand my previous prejudgements. All the same, it isn't too surprising that Repubs chose to raise the debt. What will be surprising is if Fox News claims this new debt is Obama's fault. Actually I am also curious where Trump will chuck the fault because he won't own that decision himself.
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Political Piper	Jan 18 2017, 12:14 AM Post #3
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 18 2017, 12:04 AM Well I'll be the first to admit I didn't think you could be nonpartisan, Piper. I apologise for that but I hope you can understand my previous prejudgements. All the same, it isn't too surprising that Repubs chose to raise the debt. What will be surprising is if Fox News claims this new debt is Obama's fault. Actually I am also curious where Trump will chuck the fault because he won't own that decision himself. It's all good. I'm not sure what Trump's role in all of this is, but I think this is mostly a congressional thing. I can't say for certain though. I will tell you that I am upset over Trump's pick for Sec Treasury - Mnuchin is a plutocrat, an ex-Goldman Sachs individual. I am no fan of big banks, mostly due to the Federal Reserve and how they swindled America in 1913.. But yeah, I really hope congress shapes up and realizes that we can't afford 9 more trillion in debt. We literally can't...
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Meowth	Jan 18 2017, 12:24 AM Post #4
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Not really surprising, if they don't raise the debt, they can't borrow more money. Although, common sense would say, try and balance the books a bit better :P



* Yu Narukami	Jan 18 2017, 12:28 AM Post #5
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	This isn't really surprising. The 'party of fiscal responsibility' always seems to throw caution regarding this stuff to the wind, but always slams the opposition for anything regarding it when they're in power. I just hope something can be done to stop it, because that's a ridiculous amount of money.



Daemon Keido	Jan 18 2017, 12:38 AM Post #6
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Nagito Komaeda Jan 18 2017, 12:28 AM This isn't really surprising. The 'party of fiscal responsibility' always seems to throw caution regarding this stuff to the wind, but always slams the opposition for anything regarding it when they're in power. I just hope something can be done to stop it, because that's a ridiculous amount of money. More accurately when it is their turn to balance the books they are the first to throw caution to the wind. They are only fiscally responsible when Democrats have control.
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Political Piper	Jan 18 2017, 12:43 AM Post #7
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Meowth Jan 18 2017, 12:24 AM Not really surprising, if they don't raise the debt, they can't borrow more money. Although, common sense would say, try and balance the books a bit better :P Your comment is my point from earlier. The Government shouldn't borrow any money. They should print their own currency, interest (debt) free. They can't get too crazy due to inflation, but that would safe us billions a year in interest payments. Estimates show we pay the Fed 500 billion a year on interest payments alone. A big reason for this is fractional reserve lending. If the Fed is to remain then I think we should push for a constitutional amendment, that spending can only be (x%) higher than the total revenue, or spending can only be equal or less than total revenue, and to prevent fractional reserve lending, which is a big part of why we are in debt. Quote: This isn't really surprising. The 'party of fiscal responsibility' always seems to throw caution regarding this stuff to the wind, but always slams the opposition for anything regarding it when they're in power. When it comes down to it, those in congress are all the same when it comes to spending and budget: Liberals, Conservatives, doesn't matter.. There are very few fiscally responsible people anymore. The deficit and national debt was hardly discussed this election cycle..
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Daemon Keido	Jan 18 2017, 12:49 AM Post #8
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	It stopped being about policy when Trump threw his hat into the ring. It was never gonna be about policy then.
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Political Piper	Jan 18 2017, 12:55 AM Post #9
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 18 2017, 12:49 AM It stopped being about policy when Trump threw his hat into the ring. It was never gonna be about policy then. I wouldn't say that's completely true. He was iconoclastic when compared to past elections, but his policies and the specifics for them were all listed on his website and could be deciphered if you thought about. He's just not the most articulate person and couldn't really delineate specifics.
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Daemon Keido	Jan 18 2017, 01:03 AM Post #10
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	If Trump wanted to talk policy he would have. But he didn't. He didn't have the experience to debate policy and made it a fight he could win: pure popularity and ego.
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Political Piper	Jan 18 2017, 01:14 AM Post #11
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 18 2017, 01:03 AM If Trump wanted to talk policy he would have. But he didn't. He didn't have the experience to debate policy and made it a fight he could win: pure popularity and ego. I still don't fully agree but I will say that his strategy of refraining away from the normal politician routine helped him. His strategy was a much welcomed change for millions of people who were tired of political correctness; tired of politicians lying to them and describing their policies using their "political speaking." I like how politicians describe their policies but you can bet there are millions out there who were tired of the way they were spoken to and tired of the Washington establishment. Trump's strategy was enough to garner massive support which gave him the V
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Daemon Keido	Jan 18 2017, 01:20 AM Post #12
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	I'm not saying it wasn't wise of Trump to do so. It clearly was. I don't debate DBZ power chains because I am out of my depth on that but make it a straight versus or crossover fight and I can hold my own just fine. What I am saying is that Trump did not win based on any real policy he discusses but on the passion and conviction he protrayed in that discussion, regardless of its contents.
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