Solid Snake

Jan 12 2017, 10:34 PM

This misconception of Merged Zamasu being superior throughout the whole fight has became evidently crazy. So here present the evidence for whomever you believe is superior.

For me I have Vegito Blue superior, and here's my evidence.

Vegito Blue's evidence

- Vegito was fine despite the attacks Zamasu landed on him, prior to the latter using the Light of Justice. He was still able to fight him despite Zamasu's offense. - Vegito manages to fight evenly with Zamasu (Pre-LoJ), and was only staggered when Zamasu broke his balance their first fist collusion, but when that was over he wasn't visually showing he was in pain. Quickly though, he pierces him and was casually smiling. - Vegito questioned Zamasu's power (Pre-LoJ) as he easily restrains him. Zamasu only frees himself after he uses am explosive wave which blows Vegito backward but he easily recovered and isn't shown to be hurt from being near the epicenter. - After Zamasu uses the Light of Justice and becomes power weighted, their very first interaction is another fist collusion, one that Vegito is shown to evenly match the more built. - He manages to pressure a defending Zamasu (w/LoJ), indicating that Zamasu is afraid to get hit and slower then Vegito given the statement Vegito says during his assault. - Easily counters Zamasu and combos him with a three attack that planted him in a building and blasted him with a Final Kamehameha, saying it'll end him. Though Zamasu is shown unharmed. - Lastly, Vegito attempts another attack, saying this too will finish it, coating his fist in God ki and punches Zamasu, stunning him but he defuses before he finishes the punch. The after effects showing Zamasu's face was sizzling or at least heated.

Agree and why? Disagree and why?

WOGMAN

Jan 16 2017, 07:59 AM

Vegito should be stronger. He was dominating Zamasu even after he powered up, and literally lost because of time limit.

WOGMAN

Jan 16 2017, 07:59 AM

Vegito should be stronger. He was dominating Zamasu even after he powered up, and literally lost because of time limit.

zombie2599

Jan 13 2017, 04:40 AM

Solid Snake

Jan 12 2017, 10:34 PM

This misconception of Merged Zamasu being superior throughout the whole fight has became evidently crazy. So here present the evidence for whomever you believe is superior.

For me I have Vegito Blue superior, and here's my evidence.

Vegito Blue's evidence

- Vegito was fine despite the attacks Zamasu landed on him, prior to the latter using the Light of Justice. He was still able to fight him despite Zamasu's offense. - Vegito manages to fight evenly with Zamasu (Pre-LoJ), and was only staggered when Zamasu broke his balance their first fist collusion, but when that was over he wasn't visually showing he was in pain. Quickly though, he pierces him and was casually smiling. - Vegito questioned Zamasu's power (Pre-LoJ) as he easily restrains him. Zamasu only frees himself after he uses am explosive wave which blows Vegito backward but he easily recovered and isn't shown to be hurt from being near the epicenter. - After Zamasu uses the Light of Justice and becomes power weighted, their very first interaction is another fist collusion, one that Vegito is shown to evenly match the more built. - He manages to pressure a defending Zamasu (w/LoJ), indicating that Zamasu is afraid to get hit and slower then Vegito given the statement Vegito says during his assault. - Easily counters Zamasu and combos him with a three attack that planted him in a building and blasted him with a Final Kamehameha, saying it'll end him. Though Zamasu is shown unharmed. - Lastly, Vegito attempts another attack, saying this too will finish it, coating his fist in God ki and punches Zamasu, stunning him but he defuses before he finishes the punch. The after effects showing Zamasu's face was sizzling or at least heated.

Agree and why? Disagree and why?

saying thisll end it doesn't mean anything really as characters are contridicting themselves when comparing strength or moves, this is a good example here, in the original manga goku says that even as an ssj3 he wouldnt of been able to kill fat buu, but later during the fight with kid buu, goku says he shouldve finished of fat buu when he had the chance

Solid Snake

Jan 17 2017, 03:40 AM

zombie2599

Jan 13 2017, 04:40 AM

Solid Snake

Jan 12 2017, 10:34 PM

This misconception of Merged Zamasu being superior throughout the whole fight has became evidently crazy. So here present the evidence for whomever you believe is superior.

For me I have Vegito Blue superior, and here's my evidence.

Vegito Blue's evidence

- Vegito was fine despite the attacks Zamasu landed on him, prior to the latter using the Light of Justice. He was still able to fight him despite Zamasu's offense. - Vegito manages to fight evenly with Zamasu (Pre-LoJ), and was only staggered when Zamasu broke his balance their first fist collusion, but when that was over he wasn't visually showing he was in pain. Quickly though, he pierces him and was casually smiling. - Vegito questioned Zamasu's power (Pre-LoJ) as he easily restrains him. Zamasu only frees himself after he uses am explosive wave which blows Vegito backward but he easily recovered and isn't shown to be hurt from being near the epicenter. - After Zamasu uses the Light of Justice and becomes power weighted, their very first interaction is another fist collusion, one that Vegito is shown to evenly match the more built. - He manages to pressure a defending Zamasu (w/LoJ), indicating that Zamasu is afraid to get hit and slower then Vegito given the statement Vegito says during his assault. - Easily counters Zamasu and combos him with a three attack that planted him in a building and blasted him with a Final Kamehameha, saying it'll end him. Though Zamasu is shown unharmed. - Lastly, Vegito attempts another attack, saying this too will finish it, coating his fist in God ki and punches Zamasu, stunning him but he defuses before he finishes the punch. The after effects showing Zamasu's face was sizzling or at least heated.

Agree and why? Disagree and why?

saying thisll end it doesn't mean anything really as characters are contridicting themselves when comparing strength or moves, this is a good example here, in the original manga goku says that even as an ssj3 he wouldnt of been able to kill fat buu, but later during the fight with kid buu, goku says he shouldve finished of fat buu when he had the chance

Vegito says it twice, once with the Final Kamehameha and second with the God ki enhanced punch. For whatever reason, the first attempt didn't work despite using nearly a majority of ki, the second was never executed to the fullest before he defused and I could make an argument him using what little ki he had left could also attribute to him defusing faster too.

WOGMAN - I halfway agree with you, in my listed advantages, Vegito was shown to have the upper hand in power and skills Pre-LoJ but only barely. This explains why Vegito questions Zamasu later. However, once Zamasu used the Light of Justice and became power weighted that power advantage was reversed in Zamasu's favor but still only barely. And the fact Zamasu was still warranting the need to block Vegito's attacks implies his attacks are still able to inflict some damage that he don't want.

For him surviving the Final Kamehameha, I chalked it up to hax regeneration the Semi-immortality left him, but that's my explanation anyway.

Tinny

Jan 17 2017, 03:52 AM

Solid Snake

Jan 17 2017, 03:40 AM

zombie2599

Jan 13 2017, 04:40 AM

Solid Snake

Jan 12 2017, 10:34 PM

This misconception of Merged Zamasu being superior throughout the whole fight has became evidently crazy. So here present the evidence for whomever you believe is superior.

For me I have Vegito Blue superior, and here's my evidence.

Vegito Blue's evidence

- Vegito was fine despite the attacks Zamasu landed on him, prior to the latter using the Light of Justice. He was still able to fight him despite Zamasu's offense. - Vegito manages to fight evenly with Zamasu (Pre-LoJ), and was only staggered when Zamasu broke his balance their first fist collusion, but when that was over he wasn't visually showing he was in pain. Quickly though, he pierces him and was casually smiling. - Vegito questioned Zamasu's power (Pre-LoJ) as he easily restrains him. Zamasu only frees himself after he uses am explosive wave which blows Vegito backward but he easily recovered and isn't shown to be hurt from being near the epicenter. - After Zamasu uses the Light of Justice and becomes power weighted, their very first interaction is another fist collusion, one that Vegito is shown to evenly match the more built. - He manages to pressure a defending Zamasu (w/LoJ), indicating that Zamasu is afraid to get hit and slower then Vegito given the statement Vegito says during his assault. - Easily counters Zamasu and combos him with a three attack that planted him in a building and blasted him with a Final Kamehameha, saying it'll end him. Though Zamasu is shown unharmed. - Lastly, Vegito attempts another attack, saying this too will finish it, coating his fist in God ki and punches Zamasu, stunning him but he defuses before he finishes the punch. The after effects showing Zamasu's face was sizzling or at least heated.

Agree and why? Disagree and why?

saying thisll end it doesn't mean anything really as characters are contridicting themselves when comparing strength or moves, this is a good example here, in the original manga goku says that even as an ssj3 he wouldnt of been able to kill fat buu, but later during the fight with kid buu, goku says he shouldve finished of fat buu when he had the chance

Vegito says it twice, once with the Final Kamehameha and second with the God ki enhanced punch. For whatever reason, the first attempt didn't work despite using nearly a majority of ki, the second was never executed to the fullest before he defused and I could make an argument him using what little ki he had left could also attribute to him defusing faster too.

WOGMAN - I halfway agree with you, in my listed advantages, Vegito was shown to have the upper hand in power and skills Pre-LoJ but only barely. This explains why Vegito questions Zamasu later. However, once Zamasu used the Light of Justice and became power weighted that power advantage was reversed in Zamasu's favor but still only barely. And the fact Zamasu was still warranting the need to block Vegito's attacks implies his attacks are still able to inflict some damage that he don't want.

For him surviving the Final Kamehameha, I chalked it up to hax regeneration the Semi-immortality left him, but that's my explanation anyway.

Have you read my post on the matter Solid Snake? I actually think I uncovered a bit more information that I would have realized before such as music cues, narrative, and the likely authorial intent. Especially the music, which is often used to set the tone of the scene and can completely change the meaning of actions just by it's presence. There's evidence to say that they were relatively close, but the ultimate winner I think is another matter.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=11047234&t=10007609

You don't need to focus on responding at first, Just reading the thing top to bottom and then getting to responding to my points would probably be just as fine.

Solid Snake

Jan 17 2017, 05:50 AM

Tinny

Jan 17 2017, 03:52 AM

Solid Snake

Jan 17 2017, 03:40 AM

zombie2599

Jan 13 2017, 04:40 AM

Solid Snake

Jan 12 2017, 10:34 PM

This misconception of Merged Zamasu being superior throughout the whole fight has became evidently crazy. So here present the evidence for whomever you believe is superior.

For me I have Vegito Blue superior, and here's my evidence.

Vegito Blue's evidence

- Vegito was fine despite the attacks Zamasu landed on him, prior to the latter using the Light of Justice. He was still able to fight him despite Zamasu's offense. - Vegito manages to fight evenly with Zamasu (Pre-LoJ), and was only staggered when Zamasu broke his balance their first fist collusion, but when that was over he wasn't visually showing he was in pain. Quickly though, he pierces him and was casually smiling. - Vegito questioned Zamasu's power (Pre-LoJ) as he easily restrains him. Zamasu only frees himself after he uses am explosive wave which blows Vegito backward but he easily recovered and isn't shown to be hurt from being near the epicenter. - After Zamasu uses the Light of Justice and becomes power weighted, their very first interaction is another fist collusion, one that Vegito is shown to evenly match the more built. - He manages to pressure a defending Zamasu (w/LoJ), indicating that Zamasu is afraid to get hit and slower then Vegito given the statement Vegito says during his assault. - Easily counters Zamasu and combos him with a three attack that planted him in a building and blasted him with a Final Kamehameha, saying it'll end him. Though Zamasu is shown unharmed. - Lastly, Vegito attempts another attack, saying this too will finish it, coating his fist in God ki and punches Zamasu, stunning him but he defuses before he finishes the punch. The after effects showing Zamasu's face was sizzling or at least heated.

Agree and why? Disagree and why?

saying thisll end it doesn't mean anything really as characters are contridicting themselves when comparing strength or moves, this is a good example here, in the original manga goku says that even as an ssj3 he wouldnt of been able to kill fat buu, but later during the fight with kid buu, goku says he shouldve finished of fat buu when he had the chance

Vegito says it twice, once with the Final Kamehameha and second with the God ki enhanced punch. For whatever reason, the first attempt didn't work despite using nearly a majority of ki, the second was never executed to the fullest before he defused and I could make an argument him using what little ki he had left could also attribute to him defusing faster too.

WOGMAN - I halfway agree with you, in my listed advantages, Vegito was shown to have the upper hand in power and skills Pre-LoJ but only barely. This explains why Vegito questions Zamasu later. However, once Zamasu used the Light of Justice and became power weighted that power advantage was reversed in Zamasu's favor but still only barely. And the fact Zamasu was still warranting the need to block Vegito's attacks implies his attacks are still able to inflict some damage that he don't want.

For him surviving the Final Kamehameha, I chalked it up to hax regeneration the Semi-immortality left him, but that's my explanation anyway.

Have you read my post on the matter Solid Snake? I actually think I uncovered a bit more information that I would have realized before such as music cues, narrative, and the likely authorial intent. Especially the music, which is often used to set the tone of the scene and can completely change the meaning of actions just by it's presence. There's evidence to say that they were relatively close, but the ultimate winner I think is another matter.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=11047234&t=10007609

You don't need to focus on responding at first, Just reading the thing top to bottom and then getting to responding to my points would probably be just as fine.

The only true thing we disagree on is the ending of the fight. Zamasu couldn't have killed Vegito until he tired out and Vegito couldn't kill him due to regeneration and endurance. I just don't want Vegito near Kaioken x 2 SSJB Goku though. I can't accept that personally.

Solid Snake

Jan 17 2017, 08:29 PM

If you were to make a chain how would it look then?

Pyrus

Jan 17 2017, 10:23 PM

I wonder why nobody made a comment on Zamasu increasing his power throughout the fight. I'm not saying he didn't, but it's kind of odd if he increased it by a noticeable amount, enough to tank a Final Kamehameha (although I suppose Vegetto's reaction is fair).