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SSJ Blue Vegito vs Merged Zamasu
Topic Started: Jan 10 2017, 09:10 AM (3,786 Views)
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Tinny - He wasn't planning a combo, he was hoping that attack would finish him but the regen was more potent and that attack wasn't enough. His next attack was to up the ante from his Final Kamehameha's power otherwise him not busting out Kaioken to help out would make him look dumb if that at least can give him a significant advantage.

Nagito - To be conservative, there's no need to use your ultimate if you don't know the full capabilities of a regenerative opponent.
So, let me get this straight.

Vegetto is going up against an opponent who's unbelievably syrong and can regenerate, but he's not using his strongest attack because...He doesn't know if he needs it? He was serious the entire fight, he isn't suddenly thinking "let's try this out, I might not have to use my best move". Unless he's idiotic, he'd pull out all the stops and throw his best into the ring straight away.
I guess I'm just stupid.

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Meant that Vegetto was worried, surprised, on the ropes a little at least. But apparently Vegetto was just bored and wants to reduce Zamasu's HP exactly to 0, rather than even -1. Because through out this whole Fight, Vegetto was just laid back and relaxed. Barely trying. Just gradually working his way up to the hypothetical combo I keep seeing talked about but never supported.

Once again, I find this unlikely and doubt Vegetto cares about getting the exact kind of victory for some reason. This isn't a boxing match, this isn't a video game, this is a fight. And presumably, Vegetto treats it as such. Especially considering he expressions which are constantly ignored.
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Vegetto wanted to reduce Zamasu's HP to 1 so he could catch him with the Ultra Ball and not waste his Master Ball.

To an earlier response, Kaio-ken was a desperation move on Goku's end when he was trapped in Zamasu's grip. He didn't use it during the beam clash. The same could've applied to Vegetto. I'm just being the derpy DA at this point, but whatever.
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Jan 10 2017, 02:49 PM
Zamasu at this point. Vegetto was basically throwing all he could at Zamasu, punches, kicks, and even a full powered Final Kamehameha. All of it, basically amounted to nothing. Pretty much everything Vegetto threw at Zamasu, the guy retaliated against and didn't have much to show in terms of damage, fatigue or any detriments to him.

Even if Vegetto can keep Zamasu at bay, he just doesn't have the capabilities to finish the job. This guy literally took on Vegetto's strongest attack and was left uninjured. Even before, most of the attacks Vegetto did, caused him some discomfort. For example, getting stabbed. Zamasu shows a little bit of shock, then casually converses with Vegetto and breaks the sword.

In the end, Vegetto's just going to run out of energy/stamina while Zamasus off continuously regenerating and practically trucking through what Vegetto throws at hi.
This. The Final Kamehameha sealed this for me, really, they underestimated how powerful the Light of Justice made Zamasu, even if it was simultaneously breaking down his physical form.
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Zamasu at this point. Vegetto was basically throwing all he could at Zamasu, punches, kicks, and even a full powered Final Kamehameha. All of it, basically amounted to nothing. Pretty much everything Vegetto threw at Zamasu, the guy retaliated against and didn't have much to show in terms of damage, fatigue or any detriments to him.

Even if Vegetto can keep Zamasu at bay, he just doesn't have the capabilities to finish the job. This guy literally took on Vegetto's strongest attack and was left uninjured. Even before, most of the attacks Vegetto did, caused him some discomfort. For example, getting stabbed. Zamasu shows a little bit of shock, then casually converses with Vegetto and breaks the sword.

In the end, Vegetto's just going to run out of energy/stamina while Zamasus off continuously regenerating and practically trucking through what Vegetto throws at hi.
This. The Final Kamehameha sealed this for me, really, they underestimated how powerful the Light of Justice made Zamasu, even if it was simultaneously breaking down his physical form.
That really is the long and short of it. He tanked or flawlessly regenerated from fkhh. In finished residing at this point, I'm not gonna team my head into a wall trying to explain this to someone who doesn't want to listen.

Anyone else have anything new or eye opening feel free talk, but at this point, I'm not gonna bother explaining to deaf ears.
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Tinny - There isn't a combo involved at the Final Kamehameha to that punch. It's a statement that wasn't contradicted so that and the fact he resorted to that punch is enough evidence.

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So, let me get this straight.

Vegetto is going up against an opponent who's a bit stronger and can regenerate, but he's not using his strongest attack because...He doesn't know if he needs it? He was serious the entire fight, he isn't suddenly thinking "let's try this out, I might not have to use my best move". Unless he's idiotic, he'd pull out all the stops and throw his best into the ring straight away.


If he waste all of his ki unnecessarily, then there'd be hell to pay since he wouldn't be much use lowered down even more so to a guy that's a little stronger then him.

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Why wouldn't he put all of his ki into an attack that was virtually point blank and his ultimate ability? While screaming "THIS'LL END IT!!"? He basically DID put all of his ki into that attack - he defused as soon as he tried to punch Zamasu one more time!
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Jan 11 2017, 03:00 AM
Why wouldn't he put all of his ki into an attack that was virtually point blank and his ultimate ability? While screaming "THIS'LL END IT!!"? He basically DID put all of his ki into that attack - he defused as soon as he tried to punch Zamasu one more time!
If that was the case he would've defused immediately afterwards. His next attack was his decisive blow, sure his Final Kamehameha failed but he didn't make a remark on it failing just him gritting his teeth. The regeneration was much more potent then the Final Kamehameha.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

But it was outright stated that Vegtto used up all his ki with the Final Kamehameha. Anything else was just a little bit of last ditch effort before the fusion broke apart.
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The Kaioshin of Universe 7 said that the reason Goku and Vegeta couldn't maintain SSjB was because of the Final Kamehameha. The Kaioshin from Universe 7 can sense God Ki. Therefore, I think he would know that the Final Kamehameha was what drained the fusion. Vegetto isn't Saitama - the one punch at the end wasn't what defused him. Even so, you just admitted that the regen factor outdid Vegetto's most powerful attack. So I ask... how does Vegetto have any hope of winning this? Pre-Light of Justice, he easily could have. That's why they fused to begin with. After that, he only had speed on Zamasu after Merged Zamasu bulked up. Zamasu was still immune to his greatest attack.
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Does this prove Goku is ultimately more powerful than Vegito? since Goku was the one the reason that Zamasu has an ugly face.




Also, hasn't anyone picked up a slight change with Zamasu before the final kkh impacts?

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Vegito need something more powerful than FKHH. He would loose in the End.
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We had this fight in the canon, Vegito was about to finish Zamasu when he defused, pointless thread. Also, to all the people saying Zamasu was overpowering Vegito, all of those scenes could be interpreted in multiple ways. I myself never saw Zamasu overpowering Vegito, not even close. When he knocked Vegito on the floor, that was Vegito playing possum on purpose in order to stab him for payback. But I digress, the point is, we saw Vegito almost finishing Zamasu canon wise with a time limit.
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We had this fight in the canon, Vegito was about to finish Zamasu when he defused, pointless thread. Also, to all the people saying Zamasu was overpowering Vegito, all of those scenes could be interpreted in multiple ways. I myself never saw Zamasu overpowering Vegito, not even close. When he knocked Vegito on the floor, that was Vegito playing possum on purpose in order to stab him for payback. But I digress, the point is, we saw Vegito almost finishing Zamasu canon wise with a time limit.
Again, why keep this super-secret, ultra-powerful technique until the end of the fight? He had no reason to mess around like he did against Boohan, so there's no reason he'd worry about 'overkill' with his technique. He knew that Zamasu could regenerate, so if this technique was actually strong enough to beat Zamasu, what was the point of the Final Kamehameha?
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Vegetto has a chance to win this fight if he using the Kaioken. Considering that Vegetto has a body far more durable than Goku's and Vegeta's put together, I am pretty sure that he could go beyond KKx10. A Kaioken Final Kamehameha x20 would probably get the job done.

Otherwise, Vegetto will lose due to Zamasu's power advantage and his semi-immortality.
That could've been what Vegetto had planned, a desperate Kaio-ken amped final assault.
They put all of their Ki into the Final Kamehameha though, just that was evidently all they could handle.
You don't think Goku put all of his ki into that Kamehameha to repel Zamasu's supernova? It sure looked like it to me.
Didn't they say Vegetto put all of his Ki into the Final Kamehameha? That's why they couldn't turn SSJB when Zamasu started getting all gassy. That was his final move, if he could've used Kaioken, why wouldn't he have used it there?
The same could be said for Goku, though, who didn't used his Kaioken for some reasons except for kicking Merged Zamasu in the face. Not even for the beam struggle. Sometimes, a character forget about their powers and don't use it when it could make things easier for some reasons. Sometimes, it's justified...and it's just plain bad writing at other times.

Anyways, except maybe for the Kaioken, I can't see Vegetto winning this fight.
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Vegetto has a chance to win this fight if he using the Kaioken. Considering that Vegetto has a body far more durable than Goku's and Vegeta's put together, I am pretty sure that he could go beyond KKx10. A Kaioken Final Kamehameha x20 would probably get the job done.

Otherwise, Vegetto will lose due to Zamasu's power advantage and his semi-immortality.
That could've been what Vegetto had planned, a desperate Kaio-ken amped final assault.
They put all of their Ki into the Final Kamehameha though, just that was evidently all they could handle.
You don't think Goku put all of his ki into that Kamehameha to repel Zamasu's supernova? It sure looked like it to me.
Didn't they say Vegetto put all of his Ki into the Final Kamehameha? That's why they couldn't turn SSJB when Zamasu started getting all gassy. That was his final move, if he could've used Kaioken, why wouldn't he have used it there?
The same could be said for Goku, though, who didn't used his Kaioken for some reasons except for kicking Merged Zamasu in the face. Not even for the beam struggle. Sometimes, a character forget about their powers and don't use it when it could make things easier for some reasons. Sometimes, it's justified...and it's just plain bad writing at other times.

Anyways, except maybe for the Kaioken, I can't see Vegetto winning this fight.
Fair point, but in that case, it comes down to two options

a) Vegetto wasn't messing around and the Final Kamehameha was his ultimate move
b) Vegetto was messing around and didn't use his best technique, instead pumping a lot of Ki into a useless move

One fits perfectly, the other needs to be justified by bad writing which totally destroys Vegetto's character.
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