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Ssj god vegito (buu saga) vs omega shenron
Topic Started: Jan 1 2017, 06:37 PM (1,321 Views)
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Jan 3 2017, 04:26 PM
I'd love to see this quote where Super is said to happen before GT. Better yet, give me a quote where GT is the continuation of Super itself. It's pretty obvious to anyone that GT has absolutely no baring on Super at all. It was a series intended to be a continuation of Z and now Super is intended to be a continuation of Z. Hashbrown already brought up the points like Kibitoshin is still fused and Goku and Vegeta never using SSj God.

And your lack of any answer besides "inconsistencies" easily tells that you have no way to prove him wrong.

I'll say it again, Super has nothing nor was it ever intended to be a prequel to GT and GT was never intended to be a sequel to Super and there isn't a single legitimate quote to say otherwise.
You didn't actually address anything that I said, so I'm assuming you don't have an answer.

Yes everything that he listed is an inconsistency. Only official word determines the continuity, not fan speculation, yet you don't seem to understand this for some reason.

GT is a continuation of Z. Super is merely a piece of the story that happens after the Boo saga but before GT(Toei's own word, not mine).
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though you can't bring up one source indicating that they would be different continuities in the 1st place, just your speculation which doesn't actually matter since inconsistencies don't determine the continuity.

It's not a continuation of Z. Continuation of Z would mean that Super would happen after Uub, but it doesn't. GT is a continuation of Z. Super is equivalent to "Yo son Goku and his Friends return", except it's not a single episode, but a series.
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Jan 3 2017, 04:35 PM
EMIYA
Jan 3 2017, 04:26 PM
I'd love to see this quote where Super is said to happen before GT. Better yet, give me a quote where GT is the continuation of Super itself. It's pretty obvious to anyone that GT has absolutely no baring on Super at all. It was a series intended to be a continuation of Z and now Super is intended to be a continuation of Z. Hashbrown already brought up the points like Kibitoshin is still fused and Goku and Vegeta never using SSj God.

And your lack of any answer besides "inconsistencies" easily tells that you have no way to prove him wrong.

I'll say it again, Super has nothing nor was it ever intended to be a prequel to GT and GT was never intended to be a sequel to Super and there isn't a single legitimate quote to say otherwise.
You didn't actually address anything that I said, so I'm assuming you don't have an answer.

Yes everything that he listed is an inconsistency. Only official word determines the continuity, not fan speculation, yet you don't seem to understand this for some reason.

GT is a continuation of Z. Super is merely a piece of the story that happens after the Boo saga but before GT(Toei's own word, not mine).
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though you can't bring up one source indicating that they would be different continuities in the 1st place, just your speculation which doesn't actually matter since inconsistencies don't determine the continuity.

It's not a continuation of Z. Continuation of Z would mean that Super would happen after Uub, but it doesn't. GT is a continuation of Z. Super is equivalent to "Yo son Goku and his Friends return", except it's not a single episode, but a series.
That statement from them doesn't even make sense in and of itself. How can it be in between Z and GT when it's in between the Boo Arc and EoZ?

Regardless, Super doesn't even mesh with EoZ, unless you've got an in-Universe explanation as to why all these inconsistencies exist, the main one being how Oob is at all relevant power-wise.
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Nagito Komaeda
Jan 3 2017, 04:43 PM
SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Jan 3 2017, 04:35 PM
EMIYA
Jan 3 2017, 04:26 PM
I'd love to see this quote where Super is said to happen before GT. Better yet, give me a quote where GT is the continuation of Super itself. It's pretty obvious to anyone that GT has absolutely no baring on Super at all. It was a series intended to be a continuation of Z and now Super is intended to be a continuation of Z. Hashbrown already brought up the points like Kibitoshin is still fused and Goku and Vegeta never using SSj God.

And your lack of any answer besides "inconsistencies" easily tells that you have no way to prove him wrong.

I'll say it again, Super has nothing nor was it ever intended to be a prequel to GT and GT was never intended to be a sequel to Super and there isn't a single legitimate quote to say otherwise.
You didn't actually address anything that I said, so I'm assuming you don't have an answer.

Yes everything that he listed is an inconsistency. Only official word determines the continuity, not fan speculation, yet you don't seem to understand this for some reason.

GT is a continuation of Z. Super is merely a piece of the story that happens after the Boo saga but before GT(Toei's own word, not mine).
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though you can't bring up one source indicating that they would be different continuities in the 1st place, just your speculation which doesn't actually matter since inconsistencies don't determine the continuity.

It's not a continuation of Z. Continuation of Z would mean that Super would happen after Uub, but it doesn't. GT is a continuation of Z. Super is equivalent to "Yo son Goku and his Friends return", except it's not a single episode, but a series.
That statement from them doesn't even make sense in and of itself. How can it be in between Z and GT when it's in between the Boo Arc and EoZ?

Regardless, Super doesn't even mesh with EoZ, unless you've got an in-Universe explanation as to why all these inconsistencies exist, the main one being how Oob is at all relevant power-wise.
It makes sense when you take it to mean all of Z in general.

BOZ>Battle of Gods>EOZ>GT. So it still does happen between Z and GT.

Super is stated to happen before EOZ, so that's simply what it is. There aren't even any inconsistencies either. Oob being a reincarnation of Kid Boo had a lot of latent power, enough fight on par with post god Base Goku.
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Jan 3 2017, 04:52 PM
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Jan 3 2017, 04:35 PM
EMIYA
Jan 3 2017, 04:26 PM
I'd love to see this quote where Super is said to happen before GT. Better yet, give me a quote where GT is the continuation of Super itself. It's pretty obvious to anyone that GT has absolutely no baring on Super at all. It was a series intended to be a continuation of Z and now Super is intended to be a continuation of Z. Hashbrown already brought up the points like Kibitoshin is still fused and Goku and Vegeta never using SSj God.

And your lack of any answer besides "inconsistencies" easily tells that you have no way to prove him wrong.

I'll say it again, Super has nothing nor was it ever intended to be a prequel to GT and GT was never intended to be a sequel to Super and there isn't a single legitimate quote to say otherwise.
You didn't actually address anything that I said, so I'm assuming you don't have an answer.

Yes everything that he listed is an inconsistency. Only official word determines the continuity, not fan speculation, yet you don't seem to understand this for some reason.

GT is a continuation of Z. Super is merely a piece of the story that happens after the Boo saga but before GT(Toei's own word, not mine).
Spoiler: click to toggle

though you can't bring up one source indicating that they would be different continuities in the 1st place, just your speculation which doesn't actually matter since inconsistencies don't determine the continuity.

It's not a continuation of Z. Continuation of Z would mean that Super would happen after Uub, but it doesn't. GT is a continuation of Z. Super is equivalent to "Yo son Goku and his Friends return", except it's not a single episode, but a series.
That statement from them doesn't even make sense in and of itself. How can it be in between Z and GT when it's in between the Boo Arc and EoZ?

Regardless, Super doesn't even mesh with EoZ, unless you've got an in-Universe explanation as to why all these inconsistencies exist, the main one being how Oob is at all relevant power-wise.
It makes sense when you take it to mean all of Z in general.

BOZ>Battle of Gods>EOZ>GT. So it still does happen between Z and GT.

Super is stated to happen before EOZ, so that's simply what it is. There aren't even any inconsistencies either. Oob being a reincarnation of Kid Boo had a lot of latent power, enough fight on par with post god Base Goku.
Even if you take it to mean all of Z in general, EoZ is still part of that, so the statement doesn't make any sense. To be after 'Z', it'd have to be after EoZ, otherwise it's 'during' Z.

Right, so Goku, who way, way beyond his SSJ3 level in base now, is meant to be excited at the prospect of fighting some random kid from a village who has potential that he can't effectively take control of? We see that he's excited about fighting Oob, and at this point in Super, Base Goku is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure Boo, so why is he expecting Oob to be at that level or possibly even stronger?
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Unless there's been some major retconning, there's really no way Super and GT can exist in the same timeline.
Edited by breaker335, Jan 3 2017, 09:57 PM.
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Jan 3 2017, 04:52 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Jan 3 2017, 04:43 PM
SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Jan 3 2017, 04:35 PM
EMIYA
Jan 3 2017, 04:26 PM
I'd love to see this quote where Super is said to happen before GT. Better yet, give me a quote where GT is the continuation of Super itself. It's pretty obvious to anyone that GT has absolutely no baring on Super at all. It was a series intended to be a continuation of Z and now Super is intended to be a continuation of Z. Hashbrown already brought up the points like Kibitoshin is still fused and Goku and Vegeta never using SSj God.

And your lack of any answer besides "inconsistencies" easily tells that you have no way to prove him wrong.

I'll say it again, Super has nothing nor was it ever intended to be a prequel to GT and GT was never intended to be a sequel to Super and there isn't a single legitimate quote to say otherwise.
You didn't actually address anything that I said, so I'm assuming you don't have an answer.

Yes everything that he listed is an inconsistency. Only official word determines the continuity, not fan speculation, yet you don't seem to understand this for some reason.

GT is a continuation of Z. Super is merely a piece of the story that happens after the Boo saga but before GT(Toei's own word, not mine).
Spoiler: click to toggle

though you can't bring up one source indicating that they would be different continuities in the 1st place, just your speculation which doesn't actually matter since inconsistencies don't determine the continuity.

It's not a continuation of Z. Continuation of Z would mean that Super would happen after Uub, but it doesn't. GT is a continuation of Z. Super is equivalent to "Yo son Goku and his Friends return", except it's not a single episode, but a series.
That statement from them doesn't even make sense in and of itself. How can it be in between Z and GT when it's in between the Boo Arc and EoZ?

Regardless, Super doesn't even mesh with EoZ, unless you've got an in-Universe explanation as to why all these inconsistencies exist, the main one being how Oob is at all relevant power-wise.
It makes sense when you take it to mean all of Z in general.

BOZ>Battle of Gods>EOZ>GT. So it still does happen between Z and GT.

Super is stated to happen before EOZ, so that's simply what it is. There aren't even any inconsistencies either. Oob being a reincarnation of Kid Boo had a lot of latent power, enough fight on par with post god Base Goku.
ok you say that the stuff hash says are ''inconsistencies'' but no what your saying makes no sense, at this point the eoz is retconned, heck try explaining.this , wheres bulla?

she was what, only a year older than pan, yet by bog arc, its been 4 years since kid buus defeat(correct me if im wrong), 1 year later pan is a baby, and now its been TWO YEARS since the battle with golden frieza and bulma hasnt even show any sign of being pregnant
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Jan 3 2017, 06:59 PM
Even if you take it to mean all of Z in general, EoZ is still part of that, so the statement doesn't make any sense. To be after 'Z', it'd have to be after EoZ, otherwise it's 'during' Z.

Right, so Goku, who way, way beyond his SSJ3 level in base now, is meant to be excited at the prospect of fighting some random kid from a village who has potential that he can't effectively take control of? We see that he's excited about fighting Oob, and at this point in Super, Base Goku is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure Boo, so why is he expecting Oob to be at that level or possibly even stronger?

It says "in between Z & GT" not after Z, so what I said holds. That can be interpreted to include anything from BOZ to GT.

Goku likely considers Kid Boo as an entity with potential on par with or greater than himself, just like Vegeta mentioned that Gohan had more potential than both Goku and himself despite Gohan being nowhere near their level. Goku thinks that Kid Boo has the potential to rival his current strength if he brought out his latent power even after the events of Super. He ended up being right when Oob matched his Base.

zombie2599
Jan 4 2017, 01:32 AM
ok you say that the stuff hash says are ''inconsistencies'' but no what your saying makes no sense, at this point the eoz is retconned, heck try explaining.this , wheres bulla?

she was what, only a year older than pan, yet by bog arc, its been 4 years since kid buus defeat(correct me if im wrong), 1 year later pan is a baby, and now its been TWO YEARS since the battle with golden frieza and bulma hasnt even show any sign of being pregnant

It's only been a year after the battle with Frieza.

Pan is older than Bulla. Pan was born in Age 779 and Bulla could've been born late in Age 780. We aren't given any information on months. The story could be in February of Age 780, with Bulla being conceived during March of 780. 9 months later, she would be born which would be during December of 780.
Also, it takes 3 months on average for a woman to show a baby bump, so it's possible that Bulla could be conceived by this point, but Bulma simply isn't showing yet.
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Even if you take it to mean all of Z in general, EoZ is still part of that, so the statement doesn't make any sense. To be after 'Z', it'd have to be after EoZ, otherwise it's 'during' Z.

Right, so Goku, who way, way beyond his SSJ3 level in base now, is meant to be excited at the prospect of fighting some random kid from a village who has potential that he can't effectively take control of? We see that he's excited about fighting Oob, and at this point in Super, Base Goku is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure Boo, so why is he expecting Oob to be at that level or possibly even stronger?

It says "in between Z & GT" not after Z, so what I said holds. That can be interpreted to include anything from BOZ to GT.

Goku likely considers Kid Boo as an entity with potential on par with or greater than himself, just like Vegeta mentioned that Gohan had more potential than both Goku and himself despite Gohan being nowhere near their level. Goku thinks that Kid Boo has the potential to rival his current strength if he brought out his latent power even after the events of Super. He ended up being right when Oob matched his Base.

zombie2599
Jan 4 2017, 01:32 AM
ok you say that the stuff hash says are ''inconsistencies'' but no what your saying makes no sense, at this point the eoz is retconned, heck try explaining.this , wheres bulla?

she was what, only a year older than pan, yet by bog arc, its been 4 years since kid buus defeat(correct me if im wrong), 1 year later pan is a baby, and now its been TWO YEARS since the battle with golden frieza and bulma hasnt even show any sign of being pregnant

It's only been a year after the battle with Frieza.

Pan is older than Bulla. Pan was born in Age 779 and Bulla could've been born late in Age 780. We aren't given any information on months. The story could be in February of Age 780, with Bulla being conceived during March of 780. 9 months later, she would be born which would be during December of 780.
Also, it takes 3 months on average for a woman to show a baby bump, so it's possible that Bulla could be conceived by this point, but Bulma simply isn't showing yet.
ok my mistake with bulla, but your wrong about the time, piccolo and and gohan were training many months after friezas defeat , more than six at least by the u6 arc, then when hit confronts goku, goku tells hit he's been training all year since their last fight, meaning at least a 1½ has past since the fight with golden frieza
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Jan 4 2017, 03:32 AM
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Jan 3 2017, 06:59 PM
Even if you take it to mean all of Z in general, EoZ is still part of that, so the statement doesn't make any sense. To be after 'Z', it'd have to be after EoZ, otherwise it's 'during' Z.

Right, so Goku, who way, way beyond his SSJ3 level in base now, is meant to be excited at the prospect of fighting some random kid from a village who has potential that he can't effectively take control of? We see that he's excited about fighting Oob, and at this point in Super, Base Goku is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure Boo, so why is he expecting Oob to be at that level or possibly even stronger?

It says "in between Z & GT" not after Z, so what I said holds. That can be interpreted to include anything from BOZ to GT.

Goku likely considers Kid Boo as an entity with potential on par with or greater than himself, just like Vegeta mentioned that Gohan had more potential than both Goku and himself despite Gohan being nowhere near their level. Goku thinks that Kid Boo has the potential to rival his current strength if he brought out his latent power even after the events of Super. He ended up being right when Oob matched his Base.

zombie2599
Jan 4 2017, 01:32 AM
ok you say that the stuff hash says are ''inconsistencies'' but no what your saying makes no sense, at this point the eoz is retconned, heck try explaining.this , wheres bulla?

she was what, only a year older than pan, yet by bog arc, its been 4 years since kid buus defeat(correct me if im wrong), 1 year later pan is a baby, and now its been TWO YEARS since the battle with golden frieza and bulma hasnt even show any sign of being pregnant

It's only been a year after the battle with Frieza.

Pan is older than Bulla. Pan was born in Age 779 and Bulla could've been born late in Age 780. We aren't given any information on months. The story could be in February of Age 780, with Bulla being conceived during March of 780. 9 months later, she would be born which would be during December of 780.
Also, it takes 3 months on average for a woman to show a baby bump, so it's possible that Bulla could be conceived by this point, but Bulma simply isn't showing yet.
ok my mistake with bulla, but your wrong about the time, piccolo and and gohan were training many months after friezas defeat , more than six at least by the u6 arc, then when hit confronts goku, goku tells hit he's been training all year since their last fight, meaning at least a 1½ has past since the fight with golden frieza
Yeah, I don't feel like fact checking all of this. If what you're saying is true, then all that would mean is that Bulla is already conceived, but Bulma simply isn't showing yet.
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Kind of a big thing to not include don't you think?
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