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How far does he go?
Loses both tournaments 1 (33.3%)
Wins the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, but loses the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai 1 (33.3%)
Wins both tournaments 0 (0%)
He wins my heart 0 (0%)
I want him to suck my shenglong for pleasure 1 (33.3%)
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Edward Elric vs. Tenkaichi Budokai
Topic Started: Dec 19 2016, 07:54 PM (1,086 Views)
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Edward has entered the Tenkaichi Budokai to see how far he's progressed as an alchemist. How far does he go?

22nd Budokai Tenkaichi

1. King Chappa
2. Chiaotzu
3. Yamcha
4. Krillin
5. Jackie Chun
6. Tien
7. Goku

23rd Tenkaichi Budokai

1. King Chappa
2. Chiaotzu
3. Yajirobe
4. Chi-Chi
5. Cyborg Tao
6. Yamcha
7. Krillin
8. Tien
9. Shen
10. Piccolo
11. Goku


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He loses against 22nd King Chappa, sadly. Post 21st budokai Roshi, who's significantly below King Chappa, was able to parry gunfire with his bare hands, while the only FMA character I remember to be able to do so was King Bradley, who'd seriously f*** Edward up.

Of course, he might stand a chance if you try to powerscale him to Bradley, since he's faster than Scar who fought with an injured Bradley, but I'd stilll think Roshi and Chappa are superior to an injured Bradley (and quite possibly a healthy one as well, though Bradley's far cooler than Chappa either way). So, most likely, King Chappa knocks him out before he can react.
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I don't think Edward can compete with 22nd or 23rd tournaments. Maybe 21st
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It's not really a contest of straight speed or strength though, nobody in Dragon Ball has any defence against alchemy.

He could beat anyone who doesn't go all out from the start, he only really needs to touch them to transmute their body in to some kind of dysfunctional mess.


Assuming the others are watching he should be able to beat Chappa and then the others would realize holy s*** don't let him touch you 'cause he can literally make your face melt off or turn your eyes in to water vapour.
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It's not really a contest of straight speed or strength though, nobody in Dragon Ball has any defence against alchemy.

He could beat anyone who doesn't go all out from the start, he only really needs to touch them to transmute their body in to some kind of dysfunctional mess.


Assuming the others are watching he should be able to beat Chappa and then the others would realize holy s*** don't let him touch you 'cause he can literally make your face melt off or turn your eyes in to water vapour.
Please demonstrate Edward Elric ever transmuting a living human in combat, because as far as I remember neither Edward nor anyone else in FMA have ever done so, presumably because organic alchemy is hard. Now, assuming this is Brotherhood/manga Edward (never watched the first anime), he could copy Scar's trick, but he's never done so and likely won't do it in this fight either, since no one will be fighting to kill.

In addition to that, he needs to clap his hands before he does alchemy, and I think he also needs to touch whatever he wants to use alchemy on with his fleshy hand, so he's perfectly capable of being speedblitzed.
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He could probably make it to Yamcha during the 21st tournament. Can't really remember his fight with Father too well, but I do know Yamcha, around BoDB, sent a hungry Goku quite the distance and through at least 2 or 3 mushroom tree-like things. Post their training Goku can casually jump almost out of earth's orbit with incredible leg strength, needless to say, he could exert some of that force into a kicking motion which would likely knock Elric out.

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Please demonstrate Edward Elric ever transmuting a living human in combat, because as far as I remember neither Edward nor anyone else in FMA have ever done so, presumably because organic alchemy is hard. Now, assuming this is Brotherhood/manga Edward (never watched the first anime), he could copy Scar's trick, but he's never done so and likely won't do it in this fight either, since no one will be fighting to kill.

In addition to that, he needs to clap his hands before he does alchemy, and I think he also needs to touch whatever he wants to use alchemy on with his fleshy hand,
I'm pretty sure he does do its at least once just not to a human.

And Scar's thing is easy all you do is take out the reforming part of alchemy and just destroy things. I'm fairly confident he does something with it in Brotherhood. If nothing else was working why wouldn't he try it? He doesn't have to worry about alchemy being used on him here.

Yep he totally does do it: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3l1us1/respect_edward_elric_fullmetal_alchemist/

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so he's perfectly capable of being speedblitzed.


By Chappa...? Give Edward some credit man.


There's nothing really stopping him making prisons or cuffs around people, if nothing just to delay them while he sets something up.
He has full control of the ring here and a VERY tough metal to play with.

Respect thread has it all really.


Assuming we're playing by tournament rules here, Edward could b*** his way out with technicalities by making the ring move out from under peoples feet or straight up throw them out.
Not like he's a slow thinker either.


I've actually forgot half of what he could do, he could certainly get further than just Chappa.
He should at the very least get to Krillin and possibly beat him, mostly because he's an idiot. Probably not Chun though.


He's being pretty under rated here. Assuming the ring is made of some form of carbon he could literally just disassemble it, combine it with oxygen in the air and then poison people with heavily concentrated carbon dioxide.
Alchemy is pretty unfair like that.
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Well, he'd have to get by krillin and company strength which he doesn't really have to be honest. Like I said, he's somewhere around Goku's level and he could exert that much force to propel him upward. They may punch with lesser force but quick combinations of attacks in bursts of speed is Dragon Ball's specialty.
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Their strength seems irrelevant when they're pinned down though Cell could hardly resist a metal robot. Same as how though you can break duct tape easily if your wrists are bound together by it you need to be very strong to do the same thing.

Whatever the arena is made of Edward can form in to the hardest version of itself to bind or pierce foes with, suffocate them even. Or like I said just throw them out.
Make a panel encapsulate them and in the second or so it's going to take them to process what happened and start punching out gently drop them out the arena for a ring out.


The only way DB wins all fights here is with bloodlust rules.
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Cell being pinned down just means that #16 was physically stronger, but he was captured off guard and later manages to break free too, violently.

He won't be doing any form of killing since that's against tournament rules.

The things you're using to indicate Elric has a chance it by fighting using tactics you think he'd used. A simple punch would easily send this guy flinging from the ring.
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Seems rather unlikely for anyone here to win. Physically I'd say most of them could, but what can they really do against alchemy? However, I think Goku and Piccolo 23rd might be too much for him. Really 22nd-tier speed is much faster than Edward, but to be safe I'd say he loses to 23rd Goku and Piccolo.
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Idk how they would counter alchemy but if any of them rush him he's screwed
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I'm pretty sure he does do its at least once just not to a human.

And Scar's thing is easy all you do is take out the reforming part of alchemy and just destroy things. I'm fairly confident he does something with it in Brotherhood. If nothing else was working why wouldn't he try it? He doesn't have to worry about alchemy being used on him here.

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Oh, yeah, he can definitely do it, it's just that assuming he's in-character, he won't attempt to kill anyone, especially not in a tournament where killing is against the rules. Not that doing so would help him, mind you, he'd still get the s*** beaten out of him.
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so he's perfectly capable of being speedblitzed.

By Chappa...? Give Edward some credit man.

Chappa would stomp Edward into the ground, sadly.

Again, Bradley, the only confirmed bullet-timer in the series (he parried bullets with his sword and also ducked and weaved between them) was, while severally injured, capable of blitzing Roy Mustang, and was easily handling Scar, Edward's equal, in a battle which he only lost due to incredibly bad luck. A healthy Bradley would likely handily have beaten both Edward and Scar at the same time.

Chappa, meanwhile, is most likely physically superior to Bradley. Roshi thought he could have beaten Goku, which means he's at least slightly stronger than post-Korin Goku, who's far above Tao Pai Pai, who is far above 21st budokai Goku, and therefore 21st budokai Roshi.

When using his full power against Akkuman, post-Korin Goku, who Chappa is at least equal to, moved to fast for Roshi to see. Since Roshi was at this point easily capable of parrying gunfire with his hands and catching the bullets, which should put him at least around the same speed as Bradley, this means that Chappa really should be a lot faster than Bradley, and I really doubt Edward would be able to see him move.

As for strength, Bradley could punch through walls at this point, but so could 21st budokai Goku and Panput, who should both be far weaker than Chappa, and even Yamcha at his first appearance was capable of punching Goku flying through several stone pillars, so Chappa's likely far physically stronger than Bradley as well.

As for toughness (not that it matters, Edward's not going to hit Chappa with a single attack), Bradley was hurt by bullets, so even if we disregard BoDB Goku tanking bullets as a Saiyan thing, Bora, who's human and far weaker than Chappa, was able to do so as well.

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There's nothing really stopping him making prisons or cuffs around people, if nothing just to delay them while he sets something up.
He has full control of the ring here and a VERY tough metal to play with.

Actually, everyone here is capable of physically destroying the material the ring is made of, they've been doing that since the 21st budokai.

In addition, it'll take more time for Edward to clap his hands and touch the ground that it will take Chappa to punch him out of the ring.

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Assuming we're playing by tournament rules here, Edward could b*** his way out with technicalities by making the ring move out from under peoples feet or straight up throw them out.
Not like he's a slow thinker either.

I think Edward would definitely try to do something like this, but it won't matter, since everyone here can punch him out of the ring faster than he can clap his hands together and then touch the ground.

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I've actually forgot half of what he could do, he could certainly get further than just Chappa.
He should at the very least get to Krillin and possibly beat him, mostly because he's an idiot. Probably not Chun though.

He's not beating Chappa, let alone Chiaotzu, Yamcha or Krillin.

That said, why do you think Krillin (or, more specifically, 22nd budokai Krillin) is an idiot?

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He's being pretty under rated here. Assuming the ring is made of some form of carbon he could literally just disassemble it, combine it with oxygen in the air and then poison people with heavily concentrated carbon dioxide.
Alchemy is pretty unfair like that.

I don't think he can do that. No one but Roy or God-Father have ever been seen messing with gasses or even liquids, but the former could only manipulate gasses for one single thing (making it flammable) and had been studying it for years, while the latter is ridiculously stronger than more skilled than any other alchemist.

Therefore, I think that using alchemy on gasses is pretty much impossible and not something Edward could do.

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Seems rather unlikely for anyone here to win. Physically I'd say most of them could, but what can they really do against alchemy?

The same thing as Bradley did, which is winning by overwhelming physical superiority.
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Show me a fight in the Dragon Ball tournaments where someone instantly charged at their opponent as soon as they moved not giving them any chance to do anything.

They never do that, they always take the time to talk or get in a fighting stance and try work out their opponent, test them.


Going by that respect thread Edward is at least close to or is a bullet timer, from across the ring he has plenty of time to do some alchemy.
Again show me a time where someone in a tournament, from early Dragon Ball where someone instantly speed blitzed someone, who wasn't a clear non threat.



And as for using Scar's technique yeah Edward wouldn't aim to kill anyone but that doesn't mean he wouldn't debilitate them, make their legs or arms smashed up so they can't move for instance.

While DB characters can break rocks breaking anything is completely different if you can't swing your arms or legs around to hit it.
You might be able to lift a person but if you lay down and they sit on your arms you ain't lifting anything, you don't have the...leverage(?) I guess not sure what the word for it would be.
If the ring around them were to suddenly turn in to a liquid, encapsulate them and then turn solid again Edward would have some seconds to do something else.
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Show me a fight in the Dragon Ball tournaments where someone instantly charged at their opponent as soon as they moved not giving them any chance to do anything.

They never do that, they always take the time to talk or get in a fighting stance and try work out their opponent, test them.


Going by that respect thread Edward is at least close to or is a bullet timer, from across the ring he has plenty of time to do some alchemy.
Again show me a time where someone in a tournament, from early Dragon Ball where someone instantly speed blitzed someone, who wasn't a clear non threat.
There's plenty of times that happens, actually (at least in the manga, not sure about the anime).

Exhibit 1: Bacterian vs Krillin. Bacterian attacks Krillin immediately after the match starts.

Exhibit 2: Krillin vs Roshi. Krillin charges Roshi almost immediately after the match starts.

Exhibit 3: Goku vs Namu. Goku moves behind Namu and attacks immediately after the match starts.

Exhibit 4: Goku vs Roshi. Roshi charges Goku immediately after the match starts.

Exhibit 5: Manwolf vs Roshi. Manwolf charges Roshi immediately after the match starts.

Exhibit 6: Goku vs Tenshinhan. Goku charges Tenshinhan immediately after the match starts.

Even in those fights where that doesn't happen, it's not like they're staring each other down for ages, and I'm pretty sure they'd attack if they saw their opponent doing something weird (such as Edward attempting to use alchemy, they might think he'd be using some kind of ki attack).

That said, Chappa is certainly arrogant enough to give Edward the first move, but I also don't think you're taking into account that Edward's actually primarily a physical figher, whose initial reaction to entering a fight will be attempting to punch his opponent. While he can be fairly creative with alchemy, he normally only uses it either as a supplement to his physical attacks or when he's outmatched, and I don't think he'll have time to disengage and use alchemy after getting into a fistfight with Chappa or anyone above him.

That said, yeah, I did probably underestimate Edward, he's faster and closer to Bradley than I remember, but I still don't think he's physically 22nd budokai level.

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And as for using Scar's technique yeah Edward wouldn't aim to kill anyone but that doesn't mean he wouldn't debilitate them, make their legs or arms smashed up so they can't move for instance.

I don't think Edward could do that, Scar's technique just breaks stuff, I don't think it's that controllable. If Edward could have done that, pretty sure he'd have done it in the series.

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While DB characters can break rocks breaking anything is completely different if you can't swing your arms or legs around to hit it.
You might be able to lift a person but if you lay down and they sit on your arms you ain't lifting anything, you don't have the...leverage(?) I guess not sure what the word for it would be.

Once they're completely trapped, that might be true, but they could easily smash the rock while it's trying to trap them, they're fast enough to do so.
I'll also note that 21st budokai managed to break Giran's gum while being trapped in it.
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If the ring around them were to suddenly turn in to a liquid, encapsulate them and then turn solid again Edward would have some seconds to do something else.

Edward's alchemy has to visibly travel from the point where he touches the ground, either in the form of alchemy lighting (not quite sure what to call it) or in the form of changing the enviromenment along with alchemy lightning, so his opponents will have plenty of time to get out of the way after Edward touches the ground.

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Actually, I'm not sure his alchemy can travel/"travel" without making at least slight changes to the ground, since when Alphonse made that giant hand to save Elric in the Elric brother's second fight against Scar, the ground between Al and the giant hand had been changed by the alchemy.
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