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| Slifer | Dec 10 2016, 02:16 AM Post #1 |
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For starters, let's say Boo-arc SSJ3 Vegetto is a 0.5 and Goku as a Super Saiyan God = 1, for simplicity's sake. As of the RoF arc, his Base form has surpassed the power of Super Saiyan God. ![]() Let's say his Base power at this point = 2 Leading up the the tournament, Goku and Vegeta train in the RoSaT for three years. It's pretty vague on their gains but they surely made some progress. Here, let's make Base Goku = 3 for a minor 1.5x increase. Throughout the tournament and Zamasu arc, we learn Goku can still use SSJ, SSJ2. and SSJ3. Using SEG, Tournament-arc SSJ3 Goku = 1,200 We don't know what multiplier SSJB is, but let's be conservative and say it's 1,000 Base, or a measly 2.5x SSJ3. U6-arc SSJB Goku = 3,000 Combining that with Kaioken x10 = 30,000. Still weaker than Beerus. Now this is where it really gets messed up. Beerus and his power have been hyped in a way that if he's surpassed by a main character or villain, it's probably going to be noted in a direct manner. That means Beerus is likely stronger than SSJB Vegetto. I don't like it, you don't like it, and it's nothing short if idiotic. Welcome to DB Super powerscaling So how big is the Potara boost? It can vary from person to person. For me, I like having Base Vegetto = SSJ2 Gotenks post-RoSaT, which for me makes it a 100,000x increase using SEG and carrying that over from Z to Super. That leaves me with a final list looking like this: Boo-arc SSJ3 Vegetto: 0.5 SSJG Goku: 1 RoF-arc Base Goku: 2 Tournament-arc Base Goku: 3 SSJ: 150 SSJ2: 300 SSJ3: 1,200 SSJB: 3,000 SSJB with Kaioken x10: 30,000 Zamasu-arc Base Vegetto: 300,000 SSJ: 15,000,000 SSJ2: 30,000,000 SSJ3: 120,000,000 SSJB: 300,000,000 Beerus: f*** you So Beerus ends up over 300 million times, possibly even a billion times stronger than Super Saiyan God Goku, and that's being conservative. Edited by Slifer, Dec 10 2016, 02:20 AM.
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| + Solid Snake | Dec 10 2016, 02:38 AM Post #2 |
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Beerus is "stronger" then a gag character, pretty sure his power is beyond mere numbers and is as strong as the plot needs him. Guys almost literally like Pre-Crisis Superman now in terms of OP'ness. |
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| Vegerot1990 | Dec 10 2016, 09:15 AM Post #3 |
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Even an Elementary School kid knows that the DB Super Powerscaling is s***. |
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| Venato | Dec 10 2016, 12:01 PM Post #4 |
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As far as the Anime goes, at least. The manga has been pretty consistent so far. |
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| Vegerot1990 | Dec 10 2016, 04:53 PM Post #5 |
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I like the Manga very much. Much better than the Anime. |
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| SuperSaiyanGodGogeta | Dec 10 2016, 04:54 PM Post #6 |
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Vegito over 100,000x stronger than Goku & Vegeta? Yeah, no. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 10 2016, 04:58 PM Post #7 |
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I don't see the problem with that in Z. Obviously it doesn't look that way in Super. |
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| Black | Dec 10 2016, 05:04 PM Post #8 |
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You're right. Mere 100,000 is a mere number. He's likely a millions times stronger than them separately. Of course that's in Z. In Super, he's been made to look weaker than SSJB Kaioken x2 Goku. Deal with it. |
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| OmegaSaiyan2 | Dec 10 2016, 10:05 PM Post #9 |
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Wow! just wow... at the end of Super Beerus would be probably even billions or trillons (probably more) times stronger than BoG SSJG Goku, as i don't think someone is going to surpass him even at the end of super. |
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| Zoom | Dec 11 2016, 01:56 AM Post #10 |
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Gohan will be the first singular person that will surpass Beerus. |
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| SuperSaiyanGodGogeta | Dec 12 2016, 10:28 PM Post #11 |
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There is no reason why Whis being 100 quintillion times stronger than Beerus "wouldn't work". Such a gap was never implied anywhere, so there isn't any need to inflate power levels to make Vegito seem stronger than he actually is. Vegito was never that strong. It was simply made more obvious in Super. Vegito is only several tens of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta. The overrating came from the fandoms wacky beliefs that pre-rosat Gotenks is somehow comparable to Goku when he isn't even as strong as Vegeta according to the Daizenshuu(yes that includes SSJ Gotenks, not just base). Then people think that Post-rosat Gotenks somehow surpassed SSJ3 Goku in base when there isn't anything that implying that post-rosat Gotenks would even be 2x stronger than his pre-rosat counterpart. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Dec 12 2016, 10:36 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Dec 13 2016, 12:24 AM Post #12 |
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Is there a source for your affirmation of Vegetto being only several tens of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta? I recall that description being attributed to Gotenks in comparison to the kids, but that's Gotenks, and he's made from a weaker method of fusion. As for the Daizenshuu entry, you may hold it to heart, but I'd rather take the manga over any secondary material, and the manga has Goku stating confidently that Gotenks would be stronger than him, Piccolo never denying this, and then Gotenks going from "no chance in hell" against Evil Boo to at least having a shot in Base. Ridiculous implications if you desire, but they make far more sense than turning the characters into idiots and/or sadists to abide by the Daizenshuu's word. |
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| SuperSaiyanGodGogeta | Dec 13 2016, 01:31 AM Post #13 |
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There isn't any evidence of Vegito being any stronger than that. That's how much of an increase that Fusion generally gives and Gogeta is only several tens of times stronger than Goku & Vegeta on equal transformations. The Daizenshuu published by Shueisha states that "Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion", but the implications of that are misunderstood since Shueisha also published this as well Spoiler: click to toggle Which would mean that the Potara itself has a higher multiplier, but the dance allows one to draw out more power due to being "better balanced", so the 2 methods balance out evenly. Yes, Gotenks does have the potential to be stronger than Goku. Doesn't mean that pre-rosat SSJ Gotenks was close to his level since official word bluntly states otherwise. What the official heads say take precedence over any fan speculation. If Piccolo were an accurate source, then he would've immediately came to the conclusion that base Gotenks stood no chance against Boo based on the level of power Boo was using at that point. That was just false hope on his part. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Dec 13 2016, 01:51 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Dec 13 2016, 02:11 AM Post #14 |
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But still, where is this "tens of times" coming from? I've only seen it for Gotenks, not Gogeta or Vegetto. If that's how you view those articles, sure. I don't. Potara was stated to be better in every way by Elder Kaioshin, and it's supported by the Daizenshuu as well. None of that "better balance" stuff was said in the manga, nor the Daizenshuu – simply the Weekly Shonen Jump, which is hardly of weight, especially when there's no evidence that information came from Toriyama himself, rather the editorial staff as it says in the link. In a fight, regardless of time restriction, Vegetto would win by virtue of being outright more powerful. The official head is Toriyama and he wrote the manga, so again, I'll believe what he wrote over a secondary piece of information that's only there to supplement the original medium in the first place, and which we don't know where specifically Toriyama was involved. What the Daizenshuu says doesn't take precedence over the manga, be they implications, feats, or statements. You're saying Piccolo is not an accurate source, why? Because he said something you don't agree with, or that doesn't coincide with a guidebook? Misjudging Boo is one thing, but Gotenks was perfectly able to be sensed. Edited by Pyrus, Dec 13 2016, 02:13 AM.
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| SuperSaiyanGodGogeta | Dec 13 2016, 02:36 AM Post #15 |
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The GT Perfect Files say that SSJ4 Gogeta is several tens of times stronger than SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta. The Elder Kai made no mention of the Potara being greater other than the time limit. I don't know how you're just picking and choosing what to follow. Makes no sense to me. The official heads are Toriyama, Toei & Shueisha, not just Toriyama. The Daizenshuu wasn't written by Toriyama and him writing things personally isn't of any relevance when he isn't the sole right holder of the series. Both the Daizenshuu and the WSJ article were published by the same company which holds rights to the franchise, so they are both valid. Your reluctance to accept it is irrelevant. You're saying that Vegito is more powerful, yet official statement says otherwise so once again, moot point. -Shueisha says that the Potara merges the 2 in a way that produces more power. -Shueisha says that the Dance is better balanced thus allows more power to be drawn. I said that Piccolo wasn't accurate since he was wrong as the manga showed. The level of power that Boo was using was able to be sensed as well, yet he thought that Gotenks stood a chance, so I don't see how it wouldn't make sense that Piccolo misjudged the entire situation based on his wishful thinking. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Dec 13 2016, 02:39 AM.
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