| We hope you enjoy your visit to this forum. If you are reading this then it means you are currently browsing the forum as a guest, we don’t limit any of the content posted from guests however if you join, you will have the ability to join the discussions! We are always happy to see new faces at this forum and we would like to hear your opinion, so why not register now? It doesn’t take long and you can get posting right away. Click here to Register! If you are having difficulties validating your account please email us at admin@dbzf.co.uk If you're already a member please log in to your account: |
| Does anyone kinda miss the Pre-Minus (or Pre-BoG) era? | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 9 2016, 09:43 AM (524 Views) | |
| DBZAOTA482 | Dec 9 2016, 09:43 AM Post #1 |
![]()
|
Don't get me wrong there's still good stuff coming from this era (Xenoverse, Goku Black, Beerus and Whis, etc.) thanks to the great comeback made with Battle of Gods but ever since Minus came out the whole franchise seems to be losing something and the community has become way more conflicted. We know the original series ended over two decades ago but I (and I'm betting many others) was accepted it ended with the most hoping for some side stories released like for the Peanuts franchise. Ever since Super came out I've become increasingly cynical and jaded (like I already wasn't jaded) with the franchise. Can anyone feel me? |
![]() |
|
| Dankness Lava | Dec 9 2016, 06:28 PM Post #2 |
![]()
Dankness Forever
![]()
|
It tried to go back to DB style writing and isn't doing the best job of it. |
| |
![]() |
|
| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 9 2016, 06:52 PM Post #3 |
![]() ![]()
|
What was wrong with Minus? It was kinda cool to see goku's mom and it's always nice to see bardock
Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Dec 9 2016, 06:52 PM.
|
IT'S CHEESE![]() Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
![]() |
|
| + Son-Goku | Dec 9 2016, 07:13 PM Post #4 |
![]()
孫悟空
![]()
|
Honestly I don't want to read Dragon Ball Minus. I was fine with the previous story of Bardock and Goku. I've heard of some dumb new things they came out with. |
![]() RP Character Bios Dragon Ball Super: The Super Human Dragon Ball Super: Preparation for the Tournament of Power | |
![]() |
|
| + Saiyan Paladin | Dec 9 2016, 07:19 PM Post #5 |
![]()
|
I remember half of the discussions before BoG were about the Base Saiyans vs. Freeza and RoSaT Gotenks and those got old to me, so I'm not sure how much I miss it. Super hasn't changed my views on the original manga either, but it has certainly done a lot of questionable things. At least it has sparked new discussions, despite some of it being so silly. |
![]() |
|
| EMIYA | Dec 9 2016, 07:27 PM Post #6 |
|
"I am the bone of my sword."
![]()
|
Here's why and I think it's obvious too. It's because all this "new stuff" is only conflicting with the other stuff. There is very little stuff being added that is like..straight up new, that doesn't conflict with previous continuities. I can give many examples but for now let's look at Bardock. Bardock in his original design was an anti-hero. He was not some heart of gold, rought guy who wanted to do good or did anything to atone for his sins. He was basically a bad guy who just happened to be the protagonist. He doesn't care about his son, because no Saiyan gives a crap about a PL of 2 or something. He enjoyed his job as hired destroyer and his care extended to nothing past his own comrades. He really is a classic Anti-Hero and that's nice, it's awesome to see a character put into the spotlight. It's the same thing with Light Yagami. Light is not a hero, he is just the protagonist. Episode of Bardock comes out and suddenly Bardock is basically Post-Namek Vegeta. A gruff but kind hearted Saiyan who despite his shortcomings is willing to help out the poor little aliens being assaulted by the mean forces of Lord Chilled. And thus, seeing the dreadful action, he becomes the legendary Super Saiyan and some BS excuse with time. And that's the better version. Go to Dragon Ball Minus, and Bardock is suddenly a loving family man. He goes up to his wife "Gine" and even tenderly holds her in his arms with a tender smile. He then decides that he has to save Kakarot and he and his wife send him off together with smiles on their faces. So that Kakarot will become the child of destiny. It couldn't be a more blatant Superman rip off than if Goku had a cape. And I hate this. I hate how everything in the original series is just being turned upside down. I hate all these plotholes, inconsistencies, retcons and blatant character derailments. It sucks to see great characters having their characteristics just screwed over for the sake of entertainment. It sucks to see all the build up from the original just kind of being cast aside for this random new stuff. |
![]() |
|
| + Pyrus | Dec 9 2016, 07:47 PM Post #7 |
![]() ![]()
|
More or less, that's what I was going to say, at least regarding Bardock. He was never a hero, nor was he intended to be. That kind of I do miss some aspects of the previous era, but I do also like the newer discussion. It can get rather dull arguing the same things with the same people everyday. |
|
Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
![]() |
|
| + Clearin | Dec 9 2016, 07:58 PM Post #8 |
![]()
|
Bardock's special was never canon in the first place, so I don't mind him being portrayed differently. |
| |
![]() |
|
| + Pyrus | Dec 9 2016, 08:01 PM Post #9 |
![]() ![]()
|
His first special wasn't canon, but it was good enough for Toriyama to include him in the manga, at least for a single panel. The manga would support the brutality of the Saiyans. Bardock being one of the few good-hearted Saiyans is asinine to the nth level, mate. |
|
Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
![]() |
|
| + Clearin | Dec 9 2016, 08:02 PM Post #10 |
![]()
|
I'm not saying that I like the new Bardock better or anything, just that it isn't on the same level as the retcons like Bibidi not creating Boo, Vegetto's time limit etc. It's more in line with the anime-only origin of the Dragon Balls, or Dr Frappe creating the androids. It's something Toei did first that Toriyama later did in a completely different way. |
| |
![]() |
|
| EMIYA | Dec 9 2016, 08:18 PM Post #11 |
|
"I am the bone of my sword."
![]()
|
Well let's say that Bardock's character in the original movie is not his canon self. Very well then, let's just look at it in terms of what we see in the manga. Every single full blooded Saiyan that we see in the manga, was a vicious, cold blooded and relentless warrior who relished in their actions. The only reason Goku wasn't, was because he literally got brain damage. Other than that, Vegeta, Raditz, Nappa, pretty much stone cold killers. It took years of interactions with others before Vegeta managed to change and that still didn't stop him from being a huge a***** for most of his life. It's the same problem I have with "Tarble." If you gave me some legit background on how Tarble was changed so he would marry a turnip, I might believe it. But you can't make me just believe that a random Saiyan just married a turnip out of the blue and is basically nicer than Goten. Even the entire background in Minus screws up the original manga. Goku was specifically stated in the manga to have been sent to Earth to get rid of its inhabitants and that's why Raditz is rather shocked that this hasn't happened. Instead, Minus would have us believe that Goku was sent by his oh so loving parents to spare him whatever fate awaited them. I'm sorry, is this going to be the same excuse with Vegetto's one hour time limit. Do we just assume Raditz was given false information and didn't know the truth the same as Elder Kaioshin and we've been living a 30 year Red Herring? And you know what? Let's say that Toriyama always intended Bardock to be a good hero trying to atone for some sin and being a loving family man. That's a boring character compared to the anti-hero protagonist we get in Father of Bardock who is both a tragic character and a sinister one at that. In Minus, the few moments we see Bardock and the other (rather silly looking Saiyans) fighting other races, they're fighting giant monsters and dinosaurs. It's like, whose the real villain? In father of Bardock, the Saiyans are killing regular citizens just trying to protect their home. In what can only be called irony, Bardock a ruthless killer is forced to watch as his own people are destroyed and there's nothing he can do about it. In the end, a guy who ends up murdering countless people is forced to watch as his comrades are murdered. Bardock in the end was the bad, facing off against the ugly and the good was sent off into a space pod earlier and has barley impact to begin with. |
![]() |
|
| Dankness Lava | Dec 9 2016, 09:08 PM Post #12 |
![]()
Dankness Forever
![]()
|
Basically. Business. |
| |
![]() |
|
| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 9 2016, 09:34 PM Post #13 |
![]() ![]()
|
Bardock could've become more compassionate all of a sudden because he realized what Frieza was up to. Maybe it was a wake up call for him and he didn't want his son to have to suffer at the hands of frieza too. Bardock was cold hearted but I think most cold hearted people would've probably done the same with their only son if they knew what was about to happen to the world. Goku was the only way for his legacy to carry on and avenge them
Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Dec 9 2016, 09:35 PM.
|
IT'S CHEESE![]() Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
![]() |
|
| + Pyrus | Dec 9 2016, 09:42 PM Post #14 |
![]() ![]()
|
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8981791&t=8472237 Edited by Pyrus, Dec 9 2016, 09:53 PM.
|
|
Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
![]() |
|
| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 9 2016, 09:53 PM Post #15 |
![]() ![]()
|
Frieza could've played a part in why bardock was like that. In the beginning of Minus he still could've been cold hearted. Most of the saiyans obviously were. I'm saying he could've had a slight change of heart because he realizes what frieza is and what he's up to. That could be why he's more compassionate now towards goku I'm not defending episode of bardock. Think of that what you want. It was weird to see him as really heroic in that imo too. But I feel like Minus might be getting blown out of proportion. Although I haven't read it in a while so idk I need to check it out again soon |
IT'S CHEESE![]() Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
![]() |
|
| 0 users reading this topic | |
![]() Join the millions that use us for their forum communities. Create your own forum today. Learn More · Register for Free |
|
| « Previous Topic · Dragon Ball/Z Discussion · Next Topic » |
| Track Topic · E-mail Topic |
4:44 PM Jul 13
|
Theme Designed by McKee91
Powered by ZetaBoards Premium · Privacy Policy





















4:44 PM Jul 13