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Tweet Topic Started: Dec 7 2016, 02:49 AM (529 Views)
+ Green	Dec 7 2016, 02:49 AM Post #1
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	Anyone hear about this new idea for a grocery story created by Amazon? They say all you would have to do is scan your phone as you walk in and that is all. Items you take off the self will automatically be added to your cart and if you don't want it then it would be removed. Once you walk out you'll "instantly" be charged for what you took. This sounds wonderful to be able to shop without having to wait in line once you have your stuff. Easy in and easy out. Here is a short video produced by amazon to advertise this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc
	Don't you ever worry that you're on the Devil's side without even knowing it? - DCI John Luther Black power ranger; I do not belong... B.o.B - Mr. Mister


+ Steve	Dec 8 2016, 01:25 AM Post #2
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Sounds great...unless you work in a store. Honestly I think we should stop things like this, it just promotes both laziness and social awkwardness by giving people the option to avoid everyone. There are more cases of social anxiety and the like than ever and it's not because we notice it more, people are more interested in staring at their phones and avoiding folk than talking to them and thus become out of touch with society. I feel like this should only be a thing for people who actually need it but then if you're anxiety is that crippling not sure how you got to the shop to begin with. It's a cool idea but has some pretty bad consequences or at least adds to them. Stores should just make self checkout things work properly, the amount of time you have to wait between scans sometimes is annoying. In the local Asda you have to put your item down so it can weigh it for some f***ing reason and it makes it take so much longer. Like am I going to scan a bunch of things...and then not take them? Right...
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


+ Green	Dec 9 2016, 01:54 AM Post #3
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	Wit stores like this, I'm more concerned with the jobs it will eliminate. The ratio between the amount of jobs and amount of people able to work is already poor, stores like this would make things worse.
	Don't you ever worry that you're on the Devil's side without even knowing it? - DCI John Luther Black power ranger; I do not belong... B.o.B - Mr. Mister


*Copy_Ninja*	Dec 9 2016, 02:05 AM Post #4
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Steve Dec 8 2016, 01:25 AM There are more cases of social anxiety and the like than ever and it's not because we notice it more, people are more interested in staring at their phones and avoiding folk than talking to them and thus become out of touch with society. Can I get a source on this claim? The point above about automation is valid. While there's so much talk about globalism and free trade threatening jobs in Western countries, I think automation is the thing that presents the biggest risk. And it's not just in the service industry either, this is happening all over. For a personal example, I recently learned that there's software that can review legal documents for lawyers. This is traditionally a job given to junior lawyers and graduates. Why would firms hire them if they can just buy some software that will do it? It's a bit of a tough issue to approach in general.
	We'll never be those kids again


+ Steve	Dec 9 2016, 04:56 AM Post #5
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Quote: Can I get a source on this claim? There is no one source, there's dozens of studies on the increase in depression, anxiety etc etc largely in younger people. Most things I'm seeing say there's been around a 70% increase in the last 20 or so years, in just teenagers. A bit extreme to chalk all that up to disorders like autism and better overall awareness. If people aren't growing up learning how to be social with others in person it's definitely going to be a big issue. Can't have everyone in stores just using instant messenger apps to converse. With automation I guess we'll just have to hope it improves the economy so much that people can be given more money in benefits and wages...of course that will require big corporations to actually get taxed properly or else they'll keep taking more than they give and every lower class citizen will be screwed. Damn robits! Guess we might pass laws for things like "each work place must have a 50/50 ratio between human and automated workers" doubtful we'll go 100% automated but if people are struggling to find jobs now that's just going to get worse.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


Meowth	Dec 10 2016, 03:51 PM Post #6
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Best idea ever, I hate people at checkouts.



+ Pyrus	Dec 10 2016, 07:09 PM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I am 90% for this. I dread checkout lines, and self-serve ones can be just as bad sometimes. It also helps to eliminate any awkwardness or embarrassment with other people or the cashier judging you for what you're buying (I couldn't care less what they think, but I've known people with that issue), not that it's something urgent that needs fixing. I'm only 10% against this for the jobs it'll eliminate. Grocery and retail jobs are some of the best for young people to break into the job world, even if the job sucks total a***. It's experience at least.
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SSJ	Dec 10 2016, 07:15 PM Post #8
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	What happens if someone slips something into your bag? Edit: unless it can tell exactly what you pick up. Even so, would you somehow get stopped before leaving? Edited by SSJ, Dec 10 2016, 07:16 PM.



+ Pyrus	Dec 10 2016, 07:29 PM Post #9
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	SuperSaiyan2 Dec 10 2016, 07:15 PM What happens if someone slips something into your bag? Edit: unless it can tell exactly what you pick up. Even so, would you somehow get stopped before leaving? You're asking too many questions at this juncture.
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Buuberries	Dec 15 2016, 12:47 PM Post #10
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	I doubt every street will be littered with these new Amazon stores, so it's not like people would be losing jobs, and I bet the prices would be kinda stupid so it'd probably just be a thing for people who are well off for their big weekly/monthly shopping or people who are in a rush and just want to get a quick lunch without queueing up.
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* Mitas	Dec 15 2016, 12:58 PM Post #11
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Steve Dec 8 2016, 01:25 AM In the local Asda you have to put your item down so it can weigh it for some f***ing reason and it makes it take so much longer. Like am I going to scan a bunch of things...and then not take them? Right... It's so that they can check that the item you scanned is the item you're putting in your bag, or that you don't scan one thing and put two things in.
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


Mihawk	Dec 15 2016, 05:12 PM Post #12
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Copy_Ninja Dec 9 2016, 02:05 AM Steve Dec 8 2016, 01:25 AM There are more cases of social anxiety and the like than ever and it's not because we notice it more, people are more interested in staring at their phones and avoiding folk than talking to them and thus become out of touch with society. The point above about automation is valid. While there's so much talk about globalism and free trade threatening jobs in Western countries, I think automation is the thing that presents the biggest risk. And it's not just in the service industry either, this is happening all over. For a personal example, I recently learned that there's software that can review legal documents for lawyers. This is traditionally a job given to junior lawyers and graduates. Why would firms hire them if they can just buy some software that will do it? It's a bit of a tough issue to approach in general. Yes and no. The jobs you're referring to just means a shift in in the job market. You still need a lawyer to help write the software, and then you need people to write the software itself. Then the software testers, penetration testers, etc. Then you have all the competing software companies. It's a shift in the demographics of which jobs will ultimately be in demand. But the net gain is probably gonna be less than the net loss since only really need to write the software one time, and you can fire a bunch of the writers once software is done. Also you only need one software across a ton of legal companies as opposed to a new hire across each



+ Green	Dec 15 2016, 05:26 PM Post #13
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	@MiHawk: Also the jobs you listed require a lot more education than the average grocery store job. Not everyone can afford to go to school to obtain jobs like those.
	Don't you ever worry that you're on the Devil's side without even knowing it? - DCI John Luther Black power ranger; I do not belong... B.o.B - Mr. Mister


Mihawk	Dec 15 2016, 07:06 PM Post #14
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Green Dec 15 2016, 05:26 PM @MiHawk: Also the jobs you listed require a lot more education than the average grocery store job. Not everyone can afford to go to school to obtain jobs like those. Yes and no. Software jobs have a higher barrier to entry than checkout clerk, but school affordability isn't the barrier. You can easily learn to code online and build a resume on GitHub without even having the means to get a job. Talent searches don't really put a huge emphasis on having a degree as they used to. Actually knowing how to do the work is more important. In fact the best coders tend to be self learned. Although I agree with the general premise that both of you made that there will be a net total of less jobs to go around, but this started a long time ago.



* Yu Narukami	Dec 15 2016, 07:13 PM Post #15
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	I think developments like this are a good reason to seriously look into some sort of system of Universal Basic Income. Obviously it'll create more jobs in one sector, like Mihawk noted about software developers and technicians/engineers, but it's inevitably going to get to a point where that sector will eat up a lot of the other sectors completely, mostly the 'grunt work' and physically demanding jobs. As ya said, this has been happening for decades now, but it's better to get a jump on these kinds of issues before we're really dropped in it. As for the concept of Amazon Go, I think it's quite interesting. It's kinda exciting to see how technology has developed to the point where stuff like this is feasible and actually happening.



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