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| + Sandy Shore | Dec 5 2016, 07:44 PM Post #31 |
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Yes, but that's exactly why I've been saying ever since it was brought up here that the response of the left to Trump's victory should not be to become more militant or extreme in rubbing its ideals in people's faces. Ignoring the feelings and concerns of "the majority" in favour of the minorities. The result isn't damage control, even if the intentions are. It's further polarisation. I'm not wanting to point fingers, but how can you address the issue if you can't point out what, at least currently, the issue is, and how it might be, at least part-way, solved? We both certainly agree that aligning oneself tribally to the ideals of the left or right, as the vastest majority of people do, not treating and arguing issues individually, is disasterously stupid. Santa Claus isn't Saint Nicholas, though. Edited by Sandy Shore, Dec 5 2016, 07:52 PM.
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Dec 5 2016, 09:54 PM Post #32 |
 
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Is Santa Claus not based on Saint Nicholas though? Could've swore someone said that earlier in this thread. Atleast around the Midwest, people still refer to Santa as "Ol' St. Nick" Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Dec 5 2016, 10:00 PM.
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| Sam | Dec 5 2016, 10:44 PM Post #33 |
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Wait, this is happening at the Mall of America? I live two hours from there  I should go check that out! My grandfather helped design the Macy's there.Anyway, gotta agree with Connor on page 1. Santa isn't real, who gives a damn if he's yellow, white, black, red or green? |
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| * Mitas | Dec 5 2016, 10:44 PM Post #34 |
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He's based on him, but he isn't him. |
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| Daemon Keido | Dec 5 2016, 11:01 PM Post #35 |
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Comments like that make me consider making a thread on famous crap our family did lol but onto the matter at hand: Before people get up in arms about Santa being a different skin tone, can we perhaps PLEASE remind people the POINT of this holiday? Peace on earth, goodwill to all. It's in the freaking carols, people! I do not care what race the Santa at the mall is. Does he make the kids excited to see him? That is what matters. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Dec 5 2016, 11:29 PM Post #36 |
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He's a combination of a folklore that was based on Saint Nicholas, and Father Christmas. That doesn't make him a Turkish saint. Saying Santa Claus being black is a reasonable change because he gets his characteristic gift-giving around December from a darker-skinned Turkish saint is even more tenuous than saying saying Rudolf should be a white horse because Sinterklaas rode one. People will fairly object, "but Rudolf is a reindeer!" Really, people saying "Santa Clause is white!" is no more wrong than people saying "Sonic is blue!" should Sega ever decide to turn him orange - or brown, for that whole origins angle. Real or not, Santa Claus is white, and fat, with a big white beard, in the exact same way that Sonic the Hedgehog is blue, with red shoes. Edited by Sandy Shore, Dec 5 2016, 11:29 PM.
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Dec 5 2016, 11:30 PM Post #37 |
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I don't know, to me, this all sounds like baby-ish whining. It's just Santa Claus rofl. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Dec 6 2016, 12:45 AM Post #38 |
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You just attempted to make a point about why it makes sense for him to be black—or, something other than white—but then resorted to an appeal to mockery. You're right, though. Anyone that ever complains, resists, or dislikes any change to a fictional character—or anything else, for that matter—are being absurd. |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Dec 6 2016, 12:51 AM Post #39 |
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Oh good eye, My master plan has been foiled.
Well to a point, something as small as the colour of their skin overall isn't really something to really complain about so long as what the character stands for is still upheld. If for example say Santa was turned into a bloodthirsty demon hound from the pits of hell. Might have a reason to complain then, since at that point it's not really Santa. Also still, it's one Black Santa in the entire United States, the jimmies need to stop being rustled. If you don't like this Santa, then by all means head to the next mall, or the next one. Or any of the potentially hundreds in your state. It's amazing like that ya know? Not being restricted to just one thing. Edit: And even if someone made a version of Santa that was a bloodthirsty demon blood hound, you can just refer to the above. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Dec 6 2016, 01:11 AM.
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| + Sandy Shore | Dec 6 2016, 02:16 AM Post #40 |
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That's a matter of perspective, though. At what point is something worthy of complaint, because at what point does something actually become other than it is? To some people, an orange Sonic isn't really Sonic; a female Link isn't really Link, or, a black-haired Dante (that never becomes white-haired Danted) isn't really Dante. They're a version of those characters, and thus fundamentally different. There's no reason anyone should care about things like that, and there will be others that enjoy such changes, but, for whatever reason, people really care about things like that, and they're not wrong to. Fictional or not, there's a level of attachment that people have to this thing as it's own entity. I'm in agreement that a black guy dressed up as Santa is not a big deal, but the upset isn't because they're forced to see him themselves, or that they're all raving racists, but that there was announcement for an intentional change regarding a widely loved character. Racist comments aside, people voicing outrage over it is no way different or more wrong than someone posting their outrage on the Sega website or on the Youtube video that announces orange Sonic. You might rightly say "don't play it then, you've still got all your blue Sonic games; this makes other people happy, you selfish prick", but their own dislike and voicing of it wouldn't actually be wrong. To them, it's not Sonic. I'm still curious as to whether a minority of Caucasians born in a given country would be wrong for changing a religious or other local character to better resemble themselves? A question to no one in particular. |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Dec 6 2016, 03:09 AM Post #41 |
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Preferably it would stop at whether or not the character is allowed to get a tan. If the only thing you care about on a character is their skin colour, then something's amiss somewhere. Also, in reference to Dante. I would argue he isn't Dante because he lacks those character traits that made Dante what he is, or rather, was, depending on whatever's happening. DmC Dante was turned into an edge-lord brooding emo who probably thinks Blood on the Dance Floor is the best s*** since sliced bread. He was hardly the pizza-eating demon killing badass from yesteryear.
Right and they're more than welcome to voice that opinion, it's just if the foundation of your being upset is on the change of appearance rather than change of personality and what a character stands for, it seems petty. It's like those that got mad that Gohan got super thin and waif-like in RoF (which I was admittedly a part of at the time) but didn't get mad when we have DBS which presents such a radical change and utter burying of Gohan's character (of which I am very salty about).
I'd hate to be a bummer to those people then (btw, I don't think all of them are racists) but black santa clauses have been a thing for a while now, it's just in a lot of media they're typically portrayed in a comedic role rather than any serious one. It wasn't until fairly recent that minorities were presented in a positive light semi-regularly outside of comedy. But that's slightly off-topic and I won't go into that more unless someone makes a topic for it.
Is there anyone actively telling them that they're idiots for thinking black santa clauses aren't true to the character? Most of what I see is just calling their reasons petty or completely missing the point about what Santa's about. Actually this seems to be a deeper thing than just this. There's this sentiment that people can't say this or that because of SJW's or whatever boogeyman disagrees with them of the week. But the thing is... no one's holding a gun to your head, you can say what you want, people are just afraid of someone responding to what they say negatively. Sure there's a select few cases where colleges don't allow someone to speak (although the person that really started getting this known is Milo Yiannopoulous, who is more or less the definition of an Uncle Tom for gay people.)
I don't know about whether or not it's wrong. But there would probably be similar "outrage" as what's seen here with black santa. Getting mad over petty things doesn't just run in the United States lol. Although slightly related but the biggest case of changing someone's skin colour to better suit their appearance would be Europeans and Jesus. To the point that there is unfortunately a very large amount of people in rural areas here that legit believe that Jesus was white. |
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