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| Has Goku's character been oversimplified in Super? | |
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| G.G. | Dec 2 2016, 03:45 PM Post #1 |
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I know Goku isn't the most the most complex character in the series but he does have a nuanced and balanced personality that only seems simple on the surface. Despite what naysayers may say, Goku's character does grow throughout the series and he isn't the same Goku that we first chapter of the manga. With that out of the way, I have wonder if Goku's character had been oversimplified in the Super anime? Or is oversimplification the right word to describe this current incarnation of Goku? |
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| DBZAOTA482 | Dec 2 2016, 03:49 PM Post #2 |
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Every character who's not Vegeta (though he's regressed somewhat), Bulma, Krillin, #18, and Goten and Trunks are either flanderization archetypes (Chi-Chi, Mr. Boo) or mere sha does of their former selves (Gohan, Videl). |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 2 2016, 04:28 PM Post #3 |
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Hell yeah he's been oversimplified. He has his moments of thinking fast on the spot like getting Zeno a friend by introducing him to the future Zeno But there's other scenes that have been kinda of annoying. Goku is simple minded but he's not supposed to be a complete retard. They regressed his character too by making him too absorbed in a battle. Why the hell didn't he transform against the vegeta clone?? He knew vegeta was disappearing so wtf!? He should've went all out right away Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Dec 2 2016, 04:34 PM.
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| EMIYA | Dec 2 2016, 06:39 PM Post #4 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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He hasn't just been oversimplified, he's been outright degraded as a character. Super Goku is at best, a mentally handicapped child with a gun and at worst, a psychotic, homicidal man child who seems intend on killing us all for a good fight. Like it's no wonder Zamasu wants to kill all mortals, at this point if he doesn't do it, Goku will. There are so many times where Goku is just, a moron, the so called fighting genius, screwing up again and again. For example, he's thinking Monaka is some amazingly strong opponent just because Beerus said so. Does this guy not have ki? Can Goku not sense him? And even if he couldn't, should not Goku be kind...questionable? Remember back in the Boo Arc when Goku kind of questioned Elder Kaioshin's own statement of having "a great power?" Against Freeza, Goku shows mercy and was going to let him leave. You have the guy who hates you...a lot and in this iteration of the story, killed Piccolo, tortured Gohan and did who knows what else. And you're still showing this BS excuse of mercy? Did you learn nothing from your past? And he treats it so lightheartedly too. Goku: (With a big smile) "Come on Freeza buddy! Get going and we'll fight again some other day!" Like their freaking friends or something. Let's compare that to the original fight. Goku is furious with Freeza and showing mercy to him is a stressful act for Goku. It's pretty much saying that, even though Goku hates this guy and would by all means love to let him suffer on the dying planet. Goku is a good person at heart. And what does Freeza do immediately after? Tries to stab him in the back. Then what does he do? Tries to go to Earth, was going to kill all his friends and family. Then what does he do? Comes back again, tortures his family and kills his friends. It's like, Goku? Freeza isn't here to be your new Anti-Hero Vegeta, he wants you dead and he doesn't give a damn who gets in the way. This is the guy who forgets a simple seal which ultimately lead to an entire timeline being erased. This is the guy who despite being married for decades now, and having two children, has apparently never kissed Chi-Chi. It's just like...they have degraded this character massively. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 2 2016, 06:47 PM Post #5 |
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With frieza I think that could be looked at as sign of character progression. He was better than Frieza by not killing him. It wasn't just because he felt bad. It wasn't just because he wanted a rival. Instead of stooping to Frieza's level and just brutally killing him he completely embarrassed him, crushing his pride, and leaving him with a trauma(being beat by a saiyan, his worst fear) he would have to live with that forever If this was kid goku vs king piccolo goku would've been gouging piccolos eyes out, ripping his heart out, putting it back in, and ripping it out again And wasn't the seal problem roshi's fault? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Dec 2 2016, 06:52 PM.
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| G.G. | Dec 5 2016, 01:22 PM Post #6 |
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I'll have to check but the whole Mafuba thing was pointless in the arc as Zamasu to blasted into oblivion anyway by Zeno. Goku was just plain careless in the arc in general. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 6 2016, 05:21 PM Post #7 |
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Was it goku or roshi's fault they forgot the seal? |
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| SSJ | Dec 6 2016, 05:37 PM Post #8 |
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Honestly I find his character is Super to be intolerable. I've never watched the JPN anime, so I don't know if he's always been like this - but he surely was never like this in the manga. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 6 2016, 05:42 PM Post #9 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Roshi was the one telling them they forgot. He's like... "Hey guys, you forgot something important" while waving the slilp around. |
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Dec 6 2016, 06:34 PM Post #10 |
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Has Goku been oversimplified than his Z self?.....![]() Nope. He's still the same. Lol Edited by Squall Strife, Dec 6 2016, 06:34 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 7 2016, 04:42 PM Post #11 |
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Izanagi!
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Goku had the completely wrong idea about Gohan because he didn't bother trying to properly understand him; he just assumed that Gohan was cut from the same cloth as him. Heck, even if he was right, telling Gohan about the plan to use his anger wouldn't exactly make Gohan less prone to raging out when he was getting beat up, would it? Edited by Sam, Dec 8 2016, 12:44 AM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 7 2016, 04:46 PM Post #12 |
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Ehh I think, assuming goku was right, gohan needed to be overwhelmed for his real anger to show. I think that's why he gave cell the senzu bean |
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| G.G. | Dec 7 2016, 09:40 PM Post #13 |
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Goku did seem more 'fight happy' in the Cell saga but I don't know if his character simplified in Z. To be fair Goku is hardly the only offender in the Cell saga, there were numerous instances the characters could had finished off Cell but due to bad decisions on their part allowed Cell to get stronger and unstoppable.
Edited by G.G., Dec 7 2016, 09:48 PM.
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| Sam | Dec 8 2016, 12:45 AM Post #14 |
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.
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*cough*Vegeta*cough* I still remain firm in my belief that DBZA Goku and DBS Goku are about equal in intelligence/stupidity. |
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