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Manga RF saga and power levels
Topic Started: Dec 1 2016, 05:20 PM (6,389 Views)
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I could've swore toyotaro says he even makes changes to toriyama's outline and asks him if they're okay

Let me go look for interview
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Dec 1 2016, 10:21 PM
I could've swore toyotaro says he even makes changes to toriyama's outline and asks him if they're okay

Let me go look for interview
I wouldn't be surprised if that were true, considering Toyotaro has a knack for continuity and consistency.
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It would seem Toriyama is fine with the way Toyotaro does things, as I remember there being a comment that Toyotaro basically has him review his work first.
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Here it is:

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It sounds like you have a pretty close working relationship with Akira Toriyama. He gives you the outline and you make changes. What is the most interesting thing about working with him?

Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking


http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579
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Yep, sounds like Toriyama works pretty closely with Toyotaro to maintain at least some sense of continuity and sensibility...unlike the anime, obviously.

But it's just a promo for the anime. :(
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I really doubt it's just promo for the anime

The RF manga toyotaro drew was promo the movie. It didn't cover the whole movie and it didn't get a serialization outside of v jump in English

Now look at the Super manga
-It's closely monitored by toriyama. If it's just promo for the anime, why? It would ultimately not matter
-it gets released through Viz in English
-it covers the entire plot
-there is no official statement that it's purely promo
-"Since it’s Akira Toriyama-sensei doing the original story, the manga has a slightly different approach than the TV anime, which results in a different kind of production. I hope you all enjoy that aspect of it for volume 2!! And I hope you keep reading!!" http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/11/30/dragon-ball-super-manga-collected-edition-vol-2-cover-art-toyotaro-comment/ if the manga and anime have so many differences how can we say the the manga is purely for promoting the anime? The feel I get from all these interviews is that manga is its own legit thing
-toyotaro says the anime references the manga and the manga references the anime. It depends who is ahead and "they will continue to SUPPORT EACH OTHER"
-the anime gets ahead of the manga sometimes...and the manga is purely for promo?? That doesn't make sense to me


The Super manga is definitely not on the same level as the RF manga

there's too much going for the Super manga for me to believe it's just promo material. Idk why we wouldn't be able to see it as a legit series


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I know. I was being sarcastic with that comment. It's definitely not promo material to me.
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The conclusions in this thread make no sense whatsoever. There is no difference between anime & manga Goku. If Goku didn't absorb the power of Super Saiyan God, then he wouldn't be capable of using the form as he did in the manga. Goku hasn't used Super Saiyan God on it's lonesome in the anime, though he obviously can so it doesn't matter.
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Saying he kept the form makes more sense than absorbing it though. If manga goku absorbed it like in the anime then his base form would be way stronger and he wouldn't need to turn ssj

You could still say he absorbed it I guess. Otherwise he wouldn't have kept the form. So I think it makes sense when you put it that way
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Dec 4 2016, 01:42 AM
Saying he kept the form makes more sense than absorbing it though. If manga goku absorbed it like in the anime then his base form would be way stronger and he wouldn't need to turn ssj

You could still say he absorbed it I guess. Otherwise he wouldn't have kept the form. So I think it makes sense when you put it that way
There is no difference between Base Goku's power in the manga or anime. There is no difference in the way his god power works either. He doesn't have any in base.

You're saying that the power of SSG became his base form in the anime, while in the manga he kept the power but doesn't have the power of god in base. The former isn't implied in any official media, while the latter is the case in both the anime & manga as there isn't any difference between them in terms of how the character's powers work.

The only "evidence" that I've seen is that he hasn't transformed into SSG in the anime, which makes no sense.
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Dec 4 2016, 02:23 AM
Ssj3vegito96
Dec 4 2016, 01:42 AM
Saying he kept the form makes more sense than absorbing it though. If manga goku absorbed it like in the anime then his base form would be way stronger and he wouldn't need to turn ssj

You could still say he absorbed it I guess. Otherwise he wouldn't have kept the form. So I think it makes sense when you put it that way
There is no difference between Base Goku's power in the manga or anime. There is no difference in the way his god power works either. He doesn't have any in base.

You're saying that the power of SSG became his base form in the anime, while in the manga he kept the power but doesn't have the power of god in base. The former isn't implied in any official media, while the latter is the case in both the anime & manga as there isn't any difference between them in terms of how the character's powers work.

The only "evidence" that I've seen is that he hasn't transformed into SSG in the anime, which makes no sense.
Sorry, but the anime definitely suggests Goku's base is at least as strong as Super Saiyan God. According to Kuririn and Gohan, base Goku and Freeza were putting out more power than when Goku and Beerus fought. We're also outright told that Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God in both the anime and Battle of Gods. No such thing was said in Toyotaro's manga.
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Saying he kept the form makes more sense than absorbing it though. If manga goku absorbed it like in the anime then his base form would be way stronger and he wouldn't need to turn ssj

You could still say he absorbed it I guess. Otherwise he wouldn't have kept the form. So I think it makes sense when you put it that way
There is no difference between Base Goku's power in the manga or anime. There is no difference in the way his god power works either. He doesn't have any in base.

You're saying that the power of SSG became his base form in the anime, while in the manga he kept the power but doesn't have the power of god in base. The former isn't implied in any official media, while the latter is the case in both the anime & manga as there isn't any difference between them in terms of how the character's powers work.

The only "evidence" that I've seen is that he hasn't transformed into SSG in the anime, which makes no sense.
Sorry, but the anime definitely suggests Goku's base is at least as strong as Super Saiyan God. According to Kuririn and Gohan, base Goku and Freeza were putting out more power than when Goku and Beerus fought. We're also outright told that Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God in both the anime and Battle of Gods. No such thing was said in Toyotaro's manga.
How strong Goku is in base is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if he has SSG level power in base. He still has no god power in base and there is no power difference between the anime and manga. Goku retaining SSG's power doesn't need to be explicitly said. It's common sense. We see him using the form, so he did retain the power.
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Saying he kept the form makes more sense than absorbing it though. If manga goku absorbed it like in the anime then his base form would be way stronger and he wouldn't need to turn ssj

You could still say he absorbed it I guess. Otherwise he wouldn't have kept the form. So I think it makes sense when you put it that way
There is no difference between Base Goku's power in the manga or anime. There is no difference in the way his god power works either. He doesn't have any in base.

You're saying that the power of SSG became his base form in the anime, while in the manga he kept the power but doesn't have the power of god in base. The former isn't implied in any official media, while the latter is the case in both the anime & manga as there isn't any difference between them in terms of how the character's powers work.

The only "evidence" that I've seen is that he hasn't transformed into SSG in the anime, which makes no sense.
Sorry, but the anime definitely suggests Goku's base is at least as strong as Super Saiyan God. According to Kuririn and Gohan, base Goku and Freeza were putting out more power than when Goku and Beerus fought. We're also outright told that Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God in both the anime and Battle of Gods. No such thing was said in Toyotaro's manga.
How strong Goku is in base is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if he has SSG level power in base. He still has no god power in base and there is no power difference between the anime and manga. Goku retaining SSG's power doesn't need to be explicitly said. It's common sense. We see him using the form, so he did retain the power.
Yeah, we kinda do have to be told since Goku never reverts to Super Saiyan in the manga. I seriously don't understand why you're so opposed to this being different when myriad of other things are different.
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Saying he kept the form makes more sense than absorbing it though. If manga goku absorbed it like in the anime then his base form would be way stronger and he wouldn't need to turn ssj

You could still say he absorbed it I guess. Otherwise he wouldn't have kept the form. So I think it makes sense when you put it that way
There is no difference between Base Goku's power in the manga or anime. There is no difference in the way his god power works either. He doesn't have any in base.

You're saying that the power of SSG became his base form in the anime, while in the manga he kept the power but doesn't have the power of god in base. The former isn't implied in any official media, while the latter is the case in both the anime & manga as there isn't any difference between them in terms of how the character's powers work.

The only "evidence" that I've seen is that he hasn't transformed into SSG in the anime, which makes no sense.
Sorry, but the anime definitely suggests Goku's base is at least as strong as Super Saiyan God. According to Kuririn and Gohan, base Goku and Freeza were putting out more power than when Goku and Beerus fought. We're also outright told that Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God in both the anime and Battle of Gods. No such thing was said in Toyotaro's manga.
How strong Goku is in base is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if he has SSG level power in base. He still has no god power in base and there is no power difference between the anime and manga. Goku retaining SSG's power doesn't need to be explicitly said. It's common sense. We see him using the form, so he did retain the power.
Yeah, we kinda do have to be told since Goku never reverts to Super Saiyan in the manga. I seriously don't understand why you're so opposed to this being different when myriad of other things are different.
Him not reverting back to Super Saiyan isn't evidence of anything. Goku used up all of his power and was exhausted. To make what I'm saying even simpler, he had no more energy to even use Super Saiyan after countering Beerus' attack.

We don't need to be told that he retained the power since it's obvious. We see him using the form later on which shoots down what you're saying.
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what do you mean gokus base power is irrelevant? of course he has ssjg power in base after absorbing it in the anime. hes clearly way stronger than he is in the manga. yes we see him use the form in the manga but not the anime
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