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Base Goku & Vegeta Manga
Topic Started: Nov 30 2016, 11:04 PM (1,716 Views)
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How strong do you guys have Base Goku & Vegeta in the Super manga around the U6 & Black arcs? I've got them in-between Androids 17 & 18 and their SS power levels from the early, Pre-ROSAT Android stuff.

They're definitely not above Piccolo since he could take on Frost while Vegeta still needed SS to go easy on him even after he'd been beaten up & severely weakened after his two fights with Goku & Piccolo.
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I'm not sure, but from the start of the Battle of Gods arc to the start of the Universe 6 arc, I'd say they improved no more than 2-4x. If Pan's age is anything to go by, Super would begin about 5 years after Boo's defeat, so that's a fair amount of time for Goku to train, although going by what we first see him doing, it doesn't look like he's had all the time in the world to do that and has instead been splitting his time doing manual labor to accommodate Chi-Chi. Tack on training with Whis for an unspecified amount of time, and then training in the RoSaT for three years, and you would think they'd have made a lot of progress, but it doesn't seem implied that they have. The only implication is that they outdo Champa's expectations at the tournament after admitting that Champa had witnessed them training prior to the RoSaT, which would signify a noticeable gain.

More specifically, way above the androids and into Cell territory, like 2nd Stage Cell thereabout.
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They're still weaker than the Artificial Humans IMO. Specifically, I have the both of them at 300 million.
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@OP Good point about piccolo

In the BOG saga they're probably like 2x as strong as in the buu saga. During the tournament. Maybe another 2x as strong after the 3 years in ROSAT

It's hard to say exactly. There's no indication they're in a whole new league at all.

Base saiyans should probably be around semi cell at most like what pyrus said
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ekrolo2
Nov 30 2016, 11:04 PM
How strong do you guys have Base Goku & Vegeta in the Super manga around the U6 & Black arcs? I've got them in-between Androids 17 & 18 and their SS power levels from the early, Pre-ROSAT Android stuff.

They're definitely not above Piccolo since he could take on Frost while Vegeta still needed SS to go easy on him even after he'd been beaten up & severely weakened after his two fights with Goku & Piccolo.
Goku "Black" >= Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Black saga) = FP Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks >>> Super Saiyan 2 Goku & Vegeta & Future Trunks > Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan >> Super Saiyan Goku & Vegeta >>> Frost (4th form) >> Frost (4th/weakened) <=> Semi-Cell > Piccolo > #16 > Base Goku & Vegeta = Lapis > Lazuli
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Nov 30 2016, 11:04 PM
How strong do you guys have Base Goku & Vegeta in the Super manga around the U6 & Black arcs? I've got them in-between Androids 17 & 18 and their SS power levels from the early, Pre-ROSAT Android stuff.

They're definitely not above Piccolo since he could take on Frost while Vegeta still needed SS to go easy on him even after he'd been beaten up & severely weakened after his two fights with Goku & Piccolo.
Goku "Black" >= Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Black saga) = FP Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks >>> Super Saiyan 2 Goku & Vegeta & Future Trunks > Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan >> Super Saiyan Goku & Vegeta >>> Frost (4th form) >> Frost (4th/weakened) <=> Semi-Cell > Piccolo > #16 > Base Goku & Vegeta = Lapis > Lazuli
I think that's fine for the most part

I don't know how you came to Black>=ssj3 goku= full power ssj2 trunks if goku felt the need to turn ssjg. Trunks should be a little stronger right? Well that's how I interpreted the scene

And black clearly had an advantage over trunks in chapter 15(?)
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Trunks said Black was still more powerful than Goku after their fight if I recall, but I haven't seen the Viz version yet.
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Trunks said Black was still more powerful than Goku after their fight if I recall, but I haven't seen the Viz version yet.
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Trunks said Black was still more powerful than Goku after their fight if I recall, but I haven't seen the Viz version yet.
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Didn't you recommend me to Viz's website? You should then know they don't have that volume yet, so I've only been able to read fanslations of everything past volume 12. Foolberry.
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Trunks said Black was still more powerful than Goku after their fight if I recall, but I haven't seen the Viz version yet.
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Didn't you recommend me to Viz's website? You should then know they don't have that volume yet, so I've only been able to read fanslations of everything past volume 12. Foolberry.
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Nov 30 2016, 11:04 PM
How strong do you guys have Base Goku & Vegeta in the Super manga around the U6 & Black arcs? I've got them in-between Androids 17 & 18 and their SS power levels from the early, Pre-ROSAT Android stuff.

They're definitely not above Piccolo since he could take on Frost while Vegeta still needed SS to go easy on him even after he'd been beaten up & severely weakened after his two fights with Goku & Piccolo.
Goku "Black" >= Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Black saga) = FP Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks >>> Super Saiyan 2 Goku & Vegeta & Future Trunks > Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan >> Super Saiyan Goku & Vegeta >>> Frost (4th form) >> Frost (4th/weakened) <=> Semi-Cell > Piccolo > #16 > Base Goku & Vegeta = Lapis > Lazuli
I think that's fine for the most part

I don't know how you came to Black>=ssj3 goku= full power ssj2 trunks if goku felt the need to turn ssjg. Trunks should be a little stronger right? Well that's how I interpreted the scene

And black clearly had an advantage over trunks in chapter 15(?)
Well, Goku's apparently less skilled then Trunks according to Whis so Goku using Super Saiyan God to quickly end the spar just entices that to me.
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Goku less skilled than Trunks? Give me a f***ing break.
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Dec 1 2016, 05:54 AM
Goku less skilled than Trunks? Give me a f***ing break.
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All we have if fanslations atm but I've never seen whis say trunks was more skilled. I thought he said he said he had a slight advantage and that was it

Trunks also says he was nothing to black iirc

I think this works for now?

Black 15-20
Ssj2 trunks 10
Ssj3 goku 8.5
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Goku is the most skilled fighter in amongst the Z fighters, he's arrogant and careless but still the best fighter.

I have their bases at 280 000 000 after the tournament.

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