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Proof that SSJ Rose is actually a 50x multiplier (and Black's equivalent of SSJ, not SSJB)
Topic Started: Nov 29 2016, 03:48 PM (1,044 Views)
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I know this was debated a lot, so I'll make this quick:

Base Goku (post god) - 1
SSJ - 50
SSJ2 - 100
SSJ3 - 400
SSJB - 4000 (I'm assuming SSJB is 4000x base, or 10x SSJ3 post god)

Black - 100 (he was fighting more or less equally with SSJ2 post god Goku)
SSJR - 5000 (50x multiplier)

So there's that. Of course, this still complicates things, as feats like Black speedblitzing Vegeta's SSJB in base still doesn't make any sense at all, unless we're to believe Black could access some of his SSJR powers in base (like Black base was 4100 to Vegeta's 4000 in SSJB) or he gets some ultra hax to and jumps up to being equal to SSJB in base, which would made then his SSJR 200,000 to 250,000, so 50-62,5x stronger than SSJBs. Considering Frieza was 40x stronger than base Goku, it isn't highly unlikely, but does Black have a reason to hold back? I don't know, but him being 5000 in SSJR makes him roughly 1,25x stronger than Vegeta, which is enough for them to put a fight with him and not be flat out obliterated. You could also say Black's base was actually like 4000, he was just not used to this form, so it was small boost at first (like 1,25x for example) and gets amp later on. In short, his SSJR form gets stronger, not his base. But this, too, is disproven by later episodes (like that attack by him in base and Zamasu).

Dunno' anymore. It was going to be short, I know, but... Yeah.

Also, I got this idea from this video, if you're interested to watch:



So, what's your thoughts on this? Legit, not?
Edited by Black, Nov 29 2016, 03:51 PM.
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I'm not quite sure. I think we need this series to wind down to be more definitive. I definitely don't put much credence in this theory though because of how screwed any attempts at exact or relatively precise power levels are in Super. We only have a general idea and even then, there is usually something that can contradict even that general idea. Pinning down a specific multiplier should be impossible, unless Toriyama asspulls the multiplier in an interview or something lol
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Don't we have an official statement saying ssjr is his version of ssj but it rivals Ssjb? So basically what I make out of that is that he's just turning ssj but because he has God ki, it's like Ssjb so that it's way stronger

As for actually running the numbers...yeah I wouldn't worry about it anymore. That's the only power scaling issue I think that just can't be worked out
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It still doesn't work imo. Vegeta would have to of gotten 50x stronger through training to be able to eventually beat a Black who was continually getting stronger. I really don't think Vegeta got that much stronger. The difference between Black's performances of base and Rose weren't that much different either. There was a minimal increase. x10 is what I use, but lower than that even might be more accurate.
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