Prisons

Rotation Advertisements

We hope you enjoy your visit to this forum.

If you are reading this then it means you are currently browsing the forum as a guest, we don’t limit any of the content posted from guests however if you join, you will have the ability to join the discussions! We are always happy to see new faces at this forum and we would like to hear your opinion, so why not register now? It doesn’t take long and you can get posting right away.

Click here to Register!

If you are having difficulties validating your account please email us at admin@dbzf.co.uk

If you're already a member please log in to your account:

Prisons; Are sentences too long? Do we even need them?
Tweet Topic Started: Nov 27 2016, 01:31 AM (493 Views)
+ Green	Nov 27 2016, 01:31 AM Post #1
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	I would like an open discussion on two major topics regarding prisons. First, are sentences too long regardless of crime committed and second, do you believe that we even need prisons? If you have the time, post some references, I'd love to read them. 1. Without a doubt I believe drug based sentences are far too long. Sentences on drug cases are slowly being reduced and probation is being used more often. The bigger question is what to do with the more violent offenders? For some without a doubt, I agree with the long or even life sentences but I believe the 10 year mark should be sufficient for the majority of criminals. Imprisonment is already proven to lead to a greater chance of criminal behavior not only because of the criminal culture some embrace during their time but also due to the lack of legal and social support for those released from prison. There are people who literally walk out of prison with a few dollars and a bus pass and have to start a life in a world that is nothing like what it was when they were first arrested. Can you imagine being teleported 10-20 years in the future with very little money and you don't know anyone. On top of that, having legal restrictions on what jobs you can have and you can be denied jobs based on your criminal history. Prisons are frequently considered "correctional facilities" and the people who work inside "corrections officers". What correction is being done? 2. For the time being, yes, I think we need a way to deal with the worst criminals that exist but prisons should not be used so freely. As stated previously, prisons have a lifetime impact on a person as well as their family and even the general society. Many states spend more money operating and maintaining prisons than they do schools. If you were to speak to parents, educators, police officers, etc., they would all tell you that crime prevention starts at an early age. A good education leads to a reduction in crime (unfortunately usually just violent crime and replaced with another kind). Other structural issues would have to be addressed such as the lack of jobs to support the number of people in the modern world and the HUGE disparity in income between the top a bottom of the social economic chain. END I just wanted to rant a little
	Don't you ever worry that you're on the Devil's side without even knowing it? - DCI John Luther Black power ranger; I do not belong... B.o.B - Mr. Mister


+ Steve	Nov 27 2016, 02:14 AM Post #2
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	For 1 yeah I think it's absolutely ridiculous how long people get for drugs. They're not that bad for crying out loud. If someone is a pretty big dealer, giving drugs to kids and all sorts then yeah that's bad but a few pills to party with is nothing, maybe it's not the wisest choice in the world but if they're only hurting themselves throwing them in jail for 10 years is insane. Especially when we have rapists getting out after a couple of years or even just some months in extreme cases. It's just silly. I mean being more lenient might make people do drugs a bit more but dealers are the problem, especially if they're selling more hardcore substances. For 2 prison does seem a pretty bum deal for everyone, especially if people have no hope of getting out. I think it'd be better if prisoners were just forced to work and actually contribute. Well maybe not forced but like working would reduce their sentence and give them better living conditions. Instead of prisons they could just have small towns with walls around them, put the prisoners to use and give them a purpose. Could even get them to build it. Far greater chance of rehabilitation than just sitting in a cell most of the time and occasionally getting to do some sort of work. If people could come out of prison skilled metal workers having worked in a factory for instance, then they might actually have a future. It'd no doubt be expensive to get that up and running but done right it could probably pay for itself. Heck get them working fields and the government wouldn't even need to feed them. Biggest issue would probably be the crime rates but if the options were a small trailer type thing with some appliances and a little freedom or a tiny box with a huge cell mate that could snap your neck in an instant...the choice would be obvious. If you act up you'll be going back and having to drop your pants for Big Ol' Johnson. Prisoners are mostly just a complete waste of human life and money at the moment.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


Rockman	Dec 1 2016, 09:49 PM Post #3
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Your rant opens up an entire realm of discussion around private jails too. When incarceration becomes "For-Profit" there will be new ways to imprison people.
	JAke is a copyright of Spazo and Pickle Flavored Fudge Pops inc.


* Mitas	Dec 1 2016, 10:25 PM Post #4
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	I don't really have an opinion on drug sentencing, but I think prisons are definitely necessary, and not just for the most heinous of crimes. Prison overcrowding is definitely an issue that needs looking into e.g. reforming sentencing, lowering some crimes to probationary periods etc. There also needs to be a rethinking of the stigma of criminals being reintroduced into society e.g. looking for jobs, although that's pretty hard to do without enforcing some sort of quota for employers, which probably isn't going to fly with the public. But yeah, prison still needs to be a deterrent. I think the community thing only works if you single out the prisoners who will cause trouble. It's still prison, so you're still going to be attracting unsavoury characters that will abuse that extra freedom.
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


+ Green	Dec 3 2016, 11:18 PM Post #5
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	Steve Nov 27 2016, 02:14 AM For 1 yeah I think it's absolutely ridiculous how long people get for drugs. They're not that bad for crying out loud. If someone is a pretty big dealer, giving drugs to kids and all sorts then yeah that's bad but a few pills to party with is nothing, maybe it's not the wisest choice in the world but if they're only hurting themselves throwing them in jail for 10 years is insane. Especially when we have rapists getting out after a couple of years or even just some months in extreme cases. It's just silly. I mean being more lenient might make people do drugs a bit more but dealers are the problem, especially if they're selling more hardcore substances. For 2 prison does seem a pretty bum deal for everyone, especially if people have no hope of getting out. I think it'd be better if prisoners were just forced to work and actually contribute. Well maybe not forced but like working would reduce their sentence and give them better living conditions. Instead of prisons they could just have small towns with walls around them, put the prisoners to use and give them a purpose. Could even get them to build it. Far greater chance of rehabilitation than just sitting in a cell most of the time and occasionally getting to do some sort of work. If people could come out of prison skilled metal workers having worked in a factory for instance, then they might actually have a future. It'd no doubt be expensive to get that up and running but done right it could probably pay for itself. Heck get them working fields and the government wouldn't even need to feed them. Biggest issue would probably be the crime rates but if the options were a small trailer type thing with some appliances and a little freedom or a tiny box with a huge cell mate that could snap your neck in an instant...the choice would be obvious. If you act up you'll be going back and having to drop your pants for Big Ol' Johnson. Prisoners are mostly just a complete waste of human life and money at the moment. Having prisoners do work comes with so many issues. Pay and "benefits" is among the biggest issues. The use of prisoners is already viewed as modern day racism, having them do even more work like "working fields" would make it impossible for anyone to deny the structural racism. Another issues is that of safety, of the workers and of the prisoners. The type of environment required to train prisoners on blue collar jobs can be hazardous and often require tools that can easily be doubled as weapons. Rockman Dec 1 2016, 09:49 PM Your rant opens up an entire realm of discussion around private jails too. When incarceration becomes "For-Profit" there will be new ways to imprison people. Yeah I had that in mind but that could be its own topic so I stayed away from it.
	Don't you ever worry that you're on the Devil's side without even knowing it? - DCI John Luther Black power ranger; I do not belong... B.o.B - Mr. Mister


* Mitas	Dec 4 2016, 02:28 PM Post #6
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	How does racism come into making prisoners work?
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


+ Green	Dec 7 2016, 02:39 AM Post #7
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	Mitas Dec 4 2016, 02:28 PM How does racism come into making prisoners work? There's a systemic theory that says that basically says that society is set up in such a way that minorities more easily find themselves in prison and then are "forced" to do work for little or no pay. I put forced in quotes because work is sometimes an option and other times just a "duty" that must be done according to the powers that be. There are people who would argue that slavery has never disappeared from the United States and that prisons are the now legal form of slavery. People are held against their will (the reason for incarceration can vary greatly) and are forced to work with little or no compensation. In many facilities, prisoners save the facility lots of money by just simply handling laundry....lots and lots of laundry.
	Don't you ever worry that you're on the Devil's side without even knowing it? - DCI John Luther Black power ranger; I do not belong... B.o.B - Mr. Mister


1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)


« Previous Topic · Deep Discussion · Next Topic »