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Overall opinions on DB Super?
Topic Started: Nov 26 2016, 09:59 PM (5,993 Views)
Cid
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I am glad that a new DB series came out, though I do wish I could bring myself to enjoy it. I am disappointed with the series so far.
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Dragon Ball Super is very mediocre to me. Like many other fans i thought that the black/ future trunks arc would be amazing, possibly one of the best arcs of any db series. unfortunately, all of that hype went down hill the moment trunks was unexplainably fighting against Black in his rose form and was pretty much even , and we all saw the asspulls thay were coming from that point on.

P.S. something i noticed is that the people that really enjoy Super tend to not care about story elements like plot, character development, pacing etc. all they talk about is "omgg look at that new transformation", or "THAT ATTACK WAS AWESOME!!" while people like me are watching and thinking " none of this is making any sense. How can i immerse myself in the action if none of it is making sense?" Idk it just annoys me because some fanboys make it seem like im a dick for wanting the story to be logical and make sense
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I'm going to say average. There are times when it's absolutely horrible. Like a 1/10. Then it has peaks where it's at least a 9/10. It's very up and down and it's also got so many love it or hate it moments

I'm not going to say whether it's better than GT or not. I still feel it's a little too early. We will see. I didn't vote in the poll at all

I'll give it 7.5/10 at most

I give the manga somewhere between 9 and 9.5/10. The BOG arc was way too fast paced. I also really liked the RF movie so I'm a little upset that it wasn't in the manga but I understand why toyotaro would've rather skipped it(he already drew the manga promo for the movie so he was over it).

The pacing can be a little too fast sometimes in the manga

But other than that...no big complaints in the manga so far. Almost flawless. It's great and for sure already better than GT for me
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I keep reading on how it's too early to tell.

My friends, we are currently 68 episodes and 4 fully completed arcs into Super right now, 5 if you take the whole Copy Vegeta shenanigans as another one.

I think we have more than enough information to get an idea now.
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aevong
Nov 27 2016, 11:00 PM
P.S. something i noticed is that the people that really enjoy Super tend to not care about story elements like plot, character development, pacing etc. all they talk about is "omgg look at that new transformation", or "THAT ATTACK WAS AWESOME!!" while people like me are watching and thinking " none of this is making any sense. How can i immerse myself in the action if none of it is making sense?" Idk it just annoys me because some fanboys make it seem like im a dick for wanting the story to be logical and make sense
To be fair you're making it sound like the people who enjoy it are mindless idiots whose standards for entertainment are just seeing pretty colours.
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It's the best Dragon Ball show on right now.
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Clearin
Nov 27 2016, 11:38 PM
aevong
Nov 27 2016, 11:00 PM
P.S. something i noticed is that the people that really enjoy Super tend to not care about story elements like plot, character development, pacing etc. all they talk about is "omgg look at that new transformation", or "THAT ATTACK WAS AWESOME!!" while people like me are watching and thinking " none of this is making any sense. How can i immerse myself in the action if none of it is making sense?" Idk it just annoys me because some fanboys make it seem like im a dick for wanting the story to be logical and make sense
To be fair you're making it sound like the people who enjoy it are mindless idiots whose standards for entertainment are just seeing pretty colours.
I don't know man... sometimes...

Edit: And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, it's a joke.
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Well, for me, I mostly enjoyed it but I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed watching DBZ. I also agree that they tried to combine the humor from DB/ Dr Slump and the action from Z but it didn't end up that well due to the poor script or lack of a solid script by Toriyama and the poor implementation, execution and lack of effort by Toei and Toyotaro. But, I did find some of the new concepts introduced by Super to be interesting such as God Ki, The Gods of Destruction and their relation with the Supreme Kai etc. I think the main problem with Super is basically the lack of effort by Toriyama,Toei and Toyotaro. If they could have just put more effort in explaining things more clearly and consistently the show would have been great. And I think this is what the first 2 arcs in Super heavily suffered from and criticized for. But, I guess, this all can attributed to the fact that Toriyama probably wanted Super to be more of a Dr. Slump-esque. Overall, I think it's an average show not as good as and consistent as DBZ but it still did manage to entertain me for most parts anyways.

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Nov 28 2016, 12:45 AM
Well, for me, I mostly enjoyed it but I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed watching DBZ. I also agree that they tried to combine the humor from DB/ Dr Slump and the action from Z but it didn't end up that well due to the poor script or lack of a solid script by Toriyama and the poor implementation, execution and lack of effort by Toei and Toyotaro. But, I did find some of the new concepts introduced by Super to be interesting such as God Ki, The Gods of Destruction and their relation with the Supreme Kai etc. I think the main problem with Super is basically the lack of effort by Toriyama,Toei and Toyotaro. If they could have just put more effort in explaining things more clearly and consistently the show would have been great. And I think this is what the first 2 arcs in Super heavily suffered from and criticized for. But, I guess, this all can attributed to the fact that Toriyama probably wanted Super to be more of a Dr. Slump-esque. Overall, I think it's an average show not as good as and consistent as DBZ but it still did manage to entertain me for most parts anyways.
I completely agree with you.
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Nov 27 2016, 11:28 PM
I keep reading on how it's too early to tell.

My friends, we are currently 68 episodes and 4 fully completed arcs into Super right now, 5 if you take the whole Copy Vegeta shenanigans as another one.

I think we have more than enough information to get an idea now.
True but it depends on how you look at the first two arcs. They were just retellings not anything really new. For me the BOG arc was...ok. The RF arc was... Lol

But I look at the tournament arc(where Super really starts for me) and the black arc. Overall they were pretty good imo

And the filler arc with clone vegeta was...not terrible.

The slice of the life stuff between arcs are pretty fun too. I think Super does a good job those

So for me there's more to enjoy than to hate
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"I am the bone of my sword."

If that's the case then I'll start with the Baby Saga where it starts getting good...though I may have to watch some Black Star for consistency sake) and when I get to Super 17 can I just put in Movie 12? Since that's what Super 17 basically is...a watered down version of Movie 12. Although that's short, maybe I"ll keep the Super 17 Saga (it's only seven episodes in the end) and can I replace the first half of the Evil Dragon's Arc with Movie 13 or something?

Like this is what I'm talking about.

It seems that those who like "Dragon Ball Super" are just skipping these "unlikable" parts and starting with the U6 Tournament or are just watching the superior movies of the retelling. It's like, is that fair? By all means if I started with the U6 Arc first and just went through that to the end of the Black Gou arc, I'd probably think Super was an average to even decent show. The ending to Zamasu would have still left a bitter taste in me but I wouldn't have had to go through all the junk from the first two Arcs.

So I think it is very unjustified to give Super this "free pass" if you will on its first two arcs, retelling or not. I take the whole package of GT, both its wonderful ending and it's shoddy Super 17 Arc. Likewise with Super I'll take both its great start for the Black Goku Arc and it's deplorable testament to Resurrection F.
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No no no. I'm not talking about skipping the bad parts of Super. I'm talking about how the first two arcs are retellings and not much new material. It has nothing to do with whether they're good or not
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"I am the bone of my sword."

But see, you're suggesting that the first two arcs are inconsequential to the main series and that we should instead focus on the U6 Arc and onward as that's where things are new.

And I believe that is totally unfair unless your going to skip at least two arcs worth of what was bad in GT.
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The first two sagas retellings or not are apart of Super. Saying Super really starts at Universe 6 is just picking and choosing to be honest.

That's like ignoring filler of DBZ and stuff. Unless Super gets a Super Kai. It's apart if the series. Imma skip New 52 and go into DC Rebirth. Is that fair? Cause New 52 was poop
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The first two sagas of GT would automatically have an advantage though because they are completely new material. You could skip watching the first two arcs of Super and it wouldn't matter because we have the movies. I understand your point of your view but idk this is just is how see it
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