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Goku made the same mistake as Vegeta
Topic Started: Nov 25 2016, 12:08 AM (2,875 Views)
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Instead of going all out in the first meeting against Black Goku, Goku was playing with him and let him become too powerful. In the end it resulted of the end of Future Trunk's universe. This prooves that Goku not much better then Vegeta was against Cell.

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This is nothing like vegeta's mistake. This is just goku being goku. He always gets a feel for his opponent's power. He didn't know that the longer Black fought him, the more he improved. Vegeta was being a cocky a***** by letting his power get to his head and knew damn well that cell was going to get stronger
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Nov 25 2016, 12:28 AM
This is nothing like vegeta's mistake. This is just goku being goku. He always gets a feel for his opponent's power. He didn't know that the longer Black fought him, the more he improved. Vegeta was being a cocky a***** by letting his power get to his head and knew damn well that cell was going to get stronger
This is not fully true. Trunks already warned Goku that Black's power keeps rising, and in their first battles Goku also confirmed this. He did take the risks for letting him become soo strong that it became the end of the universe.
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We already have a proof that Black switched bodies with DBS timeline Goku, pressumably after the latter attained SSJB powers (remember, this timeline was the main timeline of Super before Trunks came back, so yeah), so why did you guys still nerfing the s*** out of Black during his first encounter with Goku? This makes no goddamn sense at this point, c'mon.

Goku using SSJB back then & there wouldn't change anything. And it's implied for BOTH of them to be holding back, so that's it. I'm not saying Goku wouldn't stand a chance with SSJB; he just most likely still wouldn't one-shot the fight. And Black still probably would get hax powerup quickly afterwards and destroy them all. That or time hole sucks him up again, lol.
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Goku using SSJB back then & there wouldn't change anything. And it's implied for BOTH of them to be holding back, so that's it. I'm not saying Goku wouldn't stand a chance with SSJB; he just most likely still wouldn't one-shot the fight. And Black still probably would get hax powerup quickly afterwards and destroy them all. That or time hole sucks him up again, lol.

Goku whooped on Black's a***. You can't claim holding back if at the end of the fight, Black is lying on his back clutching his chest like he just had a heart attack, unable to move, while Goku is totally okay. Goku would absolutely one shot in Bluper if it's any kind of decent boost, if an SSJ2 can already almost give Black a heart attack then Bluper should slay him.
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Goku using SSJB back then & there wouldn't change anything. And it's implied for BOTH of them to be holding back, so that's it. I'm not saying Goku wouldn't stand a chance with SSJB; he just most likely still wouldn't one-shot the fight. And Black still probably would get hax powerup quickly afterwards and destroy them all. That or time hole sucks him up again, lol.

Goku whooped on Black's a***. You can't claim holding back if at the end of the fight, Black is lying on his back clutching his chest like he just had a heart attack, unable to move, while Goku is totally okay. Goku would absolutely one shot in Bluper if it's any kind of decent boost, if an SSJ2 can already almost give Black a heart attack then Bluper should slay him.
Rage-boosted SSJB Goku had done similar to SSJR Black and look how good it did to him. Also, Black was smilling there. At times, there really isn't any explanation besides Black's holding back, unless you believe he got like 1 000 000x increase from one Goku's punch or SSJR is actually a negative boost.
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Rage-boosted SSJB Goku had done similar to SSJR Black and look how good it did to him.

I don't get your point really.
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Also, Black was smilling there

Because he's a lunatic who likes eating people and getting hurt
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At times, there really isn't any explanation besides Black's holding back, unless you believe he got like 1 000 000x increase from one Goku's punch or SSJR is actually a negative boost.

The first one is the only one that fits, though with Super's power scaling the second isn't unlikely either.
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I don't get your point really.


I mean, Goku was probably stronger than him there and it still didn't mean jack s***, as Black got stronger almost immediately afterwards and then proceed to whoop Goku's sorry a***. Ok, I'll admit, his insane power ups defeats my point of him holding back, but nevertheless, holding back or not, I think the result would be the same - Black gets stronger, Goku gets the L. Especially if you don't believe in the two-base theory (which most more than likely not at this point), since increase between SSJ2 and Bluper Saiyans couldn't probably be anything off the chart, and Black proved more than once that he is capable of adjusting his power to match his opponent very quickly. Just one fight with Goku already made him up there with SSJB Vegeta in base, let alone SSJR, so my guess is that he wouldn't be finished then & there even if Goku used Bluper. But then again, this is Super, so you'll never know.

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Okey, fair enough. It's been proven more than once, episode 64 being a perfect example of it.

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The first one is the only one that fits, though with Super's power scaling the second isn't unlikely either.


Exactly. And this is why I'm seeing Goku vs Black first fight more closer than not. Goku had the upper hand, but I'm pretty sure Black was aware of SSJB and (more or less) aware of how strong it was, because he learns it watching GodTube (LOL) with Gowasu. So it's not likely he just goes there to be flat out killed.
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I mean, Goku was probably stronger than him there and it still didn't mean jack s***, as Black got stronger almost immediately afterwards and then proceed to whoop Goku's sorry a***.

That's all well and good if Goku stays SSJ2, but if he'd gone Bluper in him, there wouldn't be enough left of Black to power-up. If an SSJ2 punch brings Black to near death, then Bluper should blow him away.
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and Black proved more than once that he is capable of adjusting his power to match his opponent very quickly. Just one fight with Goku already made him up there with SSJB Vegeta in base, let alone SSJR, so my guess is that he wouldn't be finished then & there even if Goku used Bluper. But then again, this is Super, so you'll never know.

Black's power ups aren't that good. He was helpless to handle Vegeta and he wasn't doing so hot with Trunks after his rage boost either, and this was after quite a long time.
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Exactly. And this is why I'm seeing Goku vs Black first fight more closer than not. Goku had the upper hand, but I'm pretty sure Black was aware of SSJB and (more or less) aware of how strong it was, because he learns it watching GodTube (LOL) with Gowasu. So it's not likely he just goes there to be flat out killed.

What makes you think that he wouldn't go there with delusions of grandeur? This is the same guy who tried to attack Goku right in front of Beers and expected it to work. This is the same guy who didn't show the slightest bit of fear of Zeno. Black has a habit of making poor judgments of his own power compared to others.
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Nov 25 2016, 12:08 AM
Instead of going all out in the first meeting against Black Goku, Goku was playing with him and let him become too powerful. In the end it resulted of the end of Future Trunk's universe. This prooves that Goku not much better then Vegeta was against Cell.

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Goku didn't necessarily play around. He slowly tries to get a read on his opponents before he uses his energy's full power needlessly. Super Saiyan 2, with his base surpassing Super Saiyan God, was a decent wager at that a 4 to 10 times increase off Super Saiyan alone should measure up to a being that was supposedly slightly stronger then a Super Saiyan 3 level opponent.

Vegeta was just cocky and overly confident.
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