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Noctis vs Raiden; Final Fantasy XV, Metal Gear
Topic Started: Nov 23 2016, 01:02 AM (894 Views)
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Who wins in this fight? Noctis cannot access summons.

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Alright, a question I have here. Does Noctis have access to his armiger arsenal?
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I don't see why not, he'll be able to warp around, though from what I can tell it has a time limit as well.
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Alright so, I think Noctis is stronger than Raiden here, he blocked a full on stomp from Titan who's leg is like twice the size of the metal gear Raiden suplexed. And managed to also throw said leg back in the air against Titan's volition.

Speed I think is pretty obvious, Raiden has superior feats on speed by a long shot, as far as I can tell, Noctis doesn't have a bullet time feat. Let alone being faster than someone who can dodge railgun fire after it's been fired. Also Raiden's shown to be able to hop scotch on rockets. Best Noctis I think has managed thus far is this.

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Durability... probably Raiden? He has shown the ability to take bullets and rockets. And even if he's to lose a limb, he's shown against Sam that he's still able to fight.

Only thing I can see Noctis winning here is if he traps Raiden's every limb and then tries to go to town from there like his Father attempted with the Naga Daemon.

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How big was this Titan? Raiden did stop a giant sub with just one arm too
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Nov 23 2016, 02:42 AM
How big was this Titan? Raiden did stop a giant sub with just one arm too
In a word? Gigantic.

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Basically Noct is smaller than the part right under Titan's finger nail.
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Kind of off the point but holy s*** the summons look awesome in this game, FFVIIR's better be as good or better...though hopefully not some copy paste s***.




I guess they might be about even in strength.

Raiden stopping Outer Haven is when he's in his supposedly much weaker body so his strength should be scaled up a bit as of Revengeance, though he doesn't really perform a superior feat after IIRC.


Since Raiden seems to take speed I feel like he could take it.

Noctis' warp is pretty good but it should be no different to Raiden than fighting Typhoon really.


Also just watched a bit of the Typhoon fight and when you go in Blade Mode the raindrops are almost completely stopped as you cut things up, so Raiden definitely has at least slash speed here.
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Nov 23 2016, 02:42 AM
How big was this Titan? Raiden did stop a giant sub with just one arm too
In a word? Gigantic.

Noctis Compared to Kneeling Titan


Noctis Compared to Titan's Hand


Basically Noct is smaller than the part right under Titan's finger nail.
Does the titan have a weight? I don't think it simply being bigger or gigantic warrant's Noctis' strength? Without his Armiger, his speed isn't noted to be on the level of Raiden's, at least not in reactions. Raiden should be more then durable enough to withstand strikes from Noctis' blade but I do think if he's fighting the Titan too, then he'd probably lose. And skills I hand to Raiden (trained by Solidus and mentored by Snake too), dude has enhanced battle sense too, even during MGS2 he was able to fight and react to Vamp and Solidus, both possessing abnormal speeds.

If we're giving Raiden the Maramusa blade, then it's a clean cut for him, even probably without it too to be honest.
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I'm fairly certain the Titan has weight, it's not some kind of floating weightless ethereal creation.
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Does the titan have a weight? I don't think it simply being bigger or gigantic warrant's Noctis' strength?


It does not have a stated weight, but if we're using that, I must bring up that neither does Outer Haven. We also have feats that Titan has shown with his weight, such as flattening a rocky cliff with his foot, or shaving off an edgy mountain-esque path by just dragging his arm along. He has a TON of weight to him. To add to this, he moves like a Kaiju, talks like a Kaiju, fights like a Kaiju. Very weighty, and his impacts are meaty.

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Titan isn't treated as being light by any stretch.

And as I've mentioned before, I don't think Noctis has Raiden in terms of speed, going to need to see something from Noctis in order to justify him keeping up. Luckily the game comes out in about five days so we'll be finding out sooner rather than later.

We do need to keep in mind that Noctis isn't just fighting with his two arms, he does utilize an entire arsenal he can use offhand.
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Titan throwing a chunk of earth isn't an indicater of its weight though. Hulk is small compared to a mountain but he can hold it up without weighing as much.

Outer Haven weighed at least as much as 500 tons (500,000 kg) considering Raiden's MGS4 body is FAR superior to that of Gray Fox' (who could hold off REX) and was able to halt it with much difficulty.

Oh okay, so he is definitely heavy I see. Raiden at his peak should be sufficient enough to maneuver around Noctis' strength or at least equal it.
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Actually, Titan is an Earth type dude isn't he?

Stands to reason that having Earth magic would let him destroy terrain and such easier so that might not be raw strength there.


500 ton seems a bit light for Outer Haven. Battleships weigh way more and they're tiny in comparison.
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Actually, Titan is an Earth type dude isn't he?


He's got some form of affinity with Earth I suppose?

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Stands to reason that having Earth magic would let him destroy terrain and such easier so that might not be raw strength there.


This is a bit of a stretch, we have nothing that points to anything like this being the case, meanwhile we have his size, which would logically allow him to do what he's done, as well as lifting huge stones. There would be something stated of him not just brute forcing his methods in the trial of titan mission, but there isn't. Even if we were to go with how he's described in the cosmogeny, it doesn't point to anything other than him being...

Titan, the Archaean, steadfast as stone.

Which is hardly something you could argue for him being able to manipulate gravity or something like a Naruto character would be able to do. Hell, Titan's not even the right summon for that anyway, that'd be Diabolos.
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Well if we're going to pretend it's not a game and get scientific here that big rock he chucked should probably have just crumbled under it's own mass so he could have used his powers to hold it together. Actually it seems unlikely he didn't, he must have filled it with magic considering all those spikes or whatever pop up after the impact.

Guess it's somewhat of a stretch.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship

45,000 tons (Standard)
52,000 tons (mean war service)
57,000 tons (pre 1980s full load)
58,000 tons (post 1980s full load)

Don't ask me what the s*** in the brackets means but Outer Haven ought to be at the very least double a standard battleship in weight.

I don't think it was ever explicitly stated to be made of lightweight materials or anything but I guess that would make sense since it's extremely high tech.
So at least double but potentially quadruple the weight if we go for size alone.
With momentum to take in to account and Raiden being in a weaker, damaged body with one arm I feel we can leave it at them being pretty equal in terms of strength.
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Well if we're going to pretend it's not a game and get scientific here that big rock he chucked should probably have just crumbled under it's own mass so he could have used his powers to hold it together. Actually it seems unlikely he didn't, he must have filled it with magic considering all those spikes or whatever pop up after the impact.


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It's totally a completely hollow boulder, the rock on the outside is just the crust of it. The inside of it's nothing but magic like a jelly donut of sorts. Totally. Everything he touches is a jelly donut rock. All the land in FFXV is, the planet's just pure magic.

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Regardless, Gaea's Wrath at best could be described as a rigged bomb. Not a weight displacer.

Also, we're bringing what would happen in the real world and applying it to the game series that literally is called Final Fantasy? What in the world? What's next? Ramuh is using tnt in the shape of a lightning bolt that he hid on a plane in the sky?
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