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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 18 2016, 03:11 PM (1,565 Views) | |
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Nov 18 2016, 03:11 PM Post #1 |
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https://www.facebook.com/FOX23MichelleLinn/posts/1323059097727010 Doctors who explain clearly why vaccines aren't safe or effective. Spoiler: click to toggle I spotted the first post shared by one of my Facebook "friends" yesterday and was shocked to find so many people whole-heartedly jumping on the "vaccines are dangerous" bandwagon. I am certainly no expert on this, which is why I'm making this topic. Do you believe that vaccines are dangerous, and if so, to what extent? I'm willing to admit that, yes, pumping tons of vaccinations into a small child may not always be a good thing, as not every child has the same immune system and genetic makeup, but to jump to the conclusion that all vaccines are dangerous, should be banned, and cause autism...? I have seen no proof of that. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't studied this at all really. At the end of the day, dangerous or not, the negative effects of vaccines have to be very minimal compared to the dangers of not vaccinating. I have never met (or spoken to anyone who has met) children affected by vaccines. That's not to discredit the stories that may in fact exist out there, but it does say something about the rarity of these types of incidents. |
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| Rockman | Nov 18 2016, 03:16 PM Post #2 |
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The answer is simple. The studies that show that vaccines are effective in either completely eliminating a disease or greatly reducing the cases are more numerous than the ones that show otherwise. It comes down to a greater good scenario. Are there unforeseen side effects from vaccines? Probably. Does that mean we should stop if we are gaining ground on diseases like polio? Absolutely not. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-activists-fund-a-study-to-show-vaccines-cause-autism-it-backfires-spectacularly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/04/14/anti-vax-mom-changes-her-tune-when-all-7-of-her-children-come-down-with-whooping-cough/ |
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| EMIYA | Nov 18 2016, 03:22 PM Post #3 |
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I think Penn and Teller along with Rockman's previous post expresses it perfectly here. Even if Vaccinations did cause problems, their positive outcomes both directly and across the decades far...far...far...outweigh the negative aspects that come out of it. Edited by EMIYA, Nov 18 2016, 03:23 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 18 2016, 03:25 PM Post #4 |
 
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I'm a believer in taking vaccines but I also am not an expert on the topic. There's a chance that there are serious side effects but those chances are very small. If some one isn't comfortable taking that risk I guess it's understandable. I mean it's their kid I wouldn't be surprised if there is something we're not being told about taking vaccines. Not that I don't have respect for doctors, but the pharmaceutical industry seems pretty corrupt sometimes imo Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 18 2016, 03:26 PM.
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Nov 18 2016, 03:40 PM Post #5 |
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Well, I tried to continue the debate with this Facebook friend. Wasn't being insulting whatsoever, just posting sources and my own opinion. She took everything I said very personal, freaked out at me, and then blocked me. Way to encourage intellectual discourse by shutting down anyone who disagrees with you. 
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 18 2016, 04:02 PM Post #6 |
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People can be like that. I don't think Facebook is the best place to have a debate though lol |
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Nov 18 2016, 04:09 PM Post #7 |
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Well, when you post something controversial and bash the other side, it's hard for me to not get involved. I'm pretty argumentative. lol Good points have been made in this thread so far, btw. |
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| Rockman | Nov 18 2016, 05:09 PM Post #8 |
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That's Facebook though. People on here avoid Deep Discussion because they can. Others come because we enjoy intellectual arguments. For instance, my great aunt blocked me on Facebook because I disagreed with this picture:  My argument was that Linus has been quoted saying, "Linus: There are three things that I've learned never discuss with people: religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin." And second, linking lawsuits in which the ACLU or otherwise have sued muslim organizations. http://www.meforum.org/2517/aclu-takes-muslim-school-to-court For example. I almost expect people to block me now on FB for anything I say. Especially about anti-vax. |
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| SpeedoTrunks | Nov 18 2016, 05:14 PM Post #9 |
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Vaccines have been proven to work, (MANY illnesses aren't even a thing anymore because of them), and anybody who says otherwise is an idiot of the highest order. Never had one of these? No? Its because you've been vaccinated against them. Anthrax Measles Rubella Cholera Meningococcal disease Influenza Diphtheria Mumps Tetanus Hepatitis A Pertussis Tuberculosis Hepatitis B Pneumoccocal disease Typhoid fever Hepatitis E Poliomyelitis Tick-borne encephalitis Haemophilus influenzae type b Rabies Varicella and herpes zoster (shingles) Human papilloma-virus Rotavirus gastroenteritis Yellow fever Japanese encephalitis Saying "vaccines don't work" or "they cause autism" or something else equally as stupid, is verging on proper tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theories for me. Edited by SpeedoTrunks, Nov 18 2016, 05:21 PM.
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| Copy_Ninja | Nov 18 2016, 05:23 PM Post #10 |
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Not taking vaccines does not just endanger your child, it could harm others as well. Wiping out diseases such as polio depends on heard immunity, so if everyone is vaccinated no one can catch it. If you start having a significant number slip through, it risks those awful diseases slipping up again. This really is not even a worthwhile debate imo, children should be vaccinated, end of discussion. |
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| SpeedoTrunks | Nov 18 2016, 05:42 PM Post #11 |
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A good Example of this is Polio. My great-grandma had polio when she was a child, and it left her with very ill health, and bad legs for the rest of her life. She caught his as a child in like 1930-1935. The first effective vaccine wasn't produced until 1987/1988, where a global crack down began. By 1994, Polio wasn't a thing in the America's, (or at least to those that had been vaccinated against it), and to my knowledge its now common practice for all children to be vaccinated against it. Natural occurring Polio hasn't happen'd in YEARS because of the above, with very few people having serious side effects, which as pointed is a "greater good" scenario. So with this illness, and MANY others, there is basic irrefutable proof that Vaccination works, and in my own family, Polio itself had become redundant within 3 generations, and hopefully will never become a thing again.......because we vaccinate against it. The TL;DR version of this is; "Don't think vaccinations are worth it? That's fine, but there is a large chance you child will get sick, and potentially die because of your ignorance" |
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| + Pelador | Nov 18 2016, 06:07 PM Post #12 |
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Even if they did cause autism, I'd rather my son had that than polio or measles that could make him sterile. |
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| + Steve | Nov 19 2016, 12:13 AM Post #13 |
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Yeah...I never understood this. "Vaccines give your children autism!" ...so? I would rather all my children have autism than even one of them get Polio, f*** that. Living in an Iron Lung the rest of your life would be hellish anyone who would prefer that for their children over autism is ignorant or an a*****. This whole conspiracy probably blows my mind the most because most everyone in the first world is living proof that vaccines work... Do they cause side effects? Most likely but that doesn't mean they don't work. Just because they're not perfect doesn't mean we should just open up the population to horrific diseases. Haven't we seen the rise of a few long thought eradicated because of idiotic anti-vax dickheads? It should be 100% illegal not to vaccinate your kids. That or you should have to get executed for it because the world doesn't need parents that ignorant. For every one doctor that says they don't work there are thousands more that say otherwise but people believe the minority just because they have Dr. in front of their name and sound smart. In a world where you can have a degree in Scientology. |
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| TheACE | Nov 19 2016, 01:43 AM Post #14 |
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Pretty much this. I usually just ask people who go nuts over vaccines how they felt after their last case of Rotavirus. Typically they say "What's Rotavirus?" And i say "s*** we don't worry about because we vaccinate our children!" Don't make your kid that guy thay ressurects a dying disease. No one cares is chicken pox becomes an endangered species. |
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| + Ginyu | Nov 19 2016, 06:38 PM Post #15 |
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The only reason to believe vaccines cause autism is because there has been a rise since we started to use vaccines. What people however ignore is that there are many other explanations for this rise. Organic Foods: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/autism-organic2.jpg Glyphosates in corn and soy: http://images.medicaldaily.com/sites/medicaldaily.com/files/styles/embedded_full/public/2015/01/05/autism-prevalenceuse-glyphosate.JPG Radiation: http://www.wirelesswatchblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Graph-of-Microwave-Increase-over-time.jpg Or my favorite one, a simple shift in diagnosis: https://www.autismspeaks.org/sites/default/files/docs/autism-id_dx.jpg Correlation =/= Causation. The benefits outweigh the bad sides by a large amounts. And the benefits are actually supported by evidence. You mentioned quite a few doctors that criticize vaccines, but also realize that they are a a very small minority. Edited by Ginyu, Nov 19 2016, 06:39 PM.
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