Is There a Scientific Explanation for "Miracles?"

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Is There a Scientific Explanation for "Miracles?"
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+ Steve	Nov 7 2016, 04:05 AM Post #31
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	lazerbem Nov 6 2016, 09:10 PM Jesus wasn't even throwing out miracles when he was on the cross, he doesn't seem like the type of guy to explode a mountain just to prove he's the son of God. Well he was sacrificing himself then it'd kind of defeat the point for him to hulk out and rip it apart. And that's also fairly convenient that there's nothing divine he ever left behind. Even though he done weird s*** like curse that fig tree to never bear fruit again, supposedly. I'm sure there was a Jesus in some fashion but surely there should be some obvious hint to his divine origins left behind, when there's so much else from that period and ones that pre-date it. It's a bit odd that God would leave nothing behind to inspire faith thousands of years after his son died other than what we wrote about him. Why make Jesus at all in that case when he obviously just becomes a story later on.
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lazerbem	Nov 7 2016, 04:11 AM Post #32
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	I mean considering how many Christians there are, it seems like Jesus didn't really need to drop down giant explosions or miracles to prove himself to many people. Why throw around miracles if he's doing just fine without them so far as spreading the word and message to people? Throwing around miracles actually makes the message less potent since he's supposed to be God as a human, not God as God.
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Dankness Lava	Nov 7 2016, 05:14 AM Post #33
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Showcasing his power like that wouldn't even make sense for him. He's supposed to be the ultimate humble being. Showing an eternal sign isn't quite so humble. It could be argued that it could help his name to be remembered, but honestly, I don't think even that would necessarily work.



Zoom	Nov 7 2016, 10:18 AM Post #34
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	From a scientific standpoint, maybe it seem like a miracle because we bound our 4 dimensional world view point. Maybe we are like ants and if humans mess with ants, they wouldn't know what's going on, but to humans everything seems normal.



breaker335	Nov 7 2016, 02:37 PM Post #35
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	So...god's doing this?



Sam	Nov 8 2016, 09:31 AM Post #36
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	I don't even really believe Jesus even ever existed. Miracles are just extreme scientific improbabilities or things that we simply cannot currently explain. The god of the gaps argument does not work here. Winning the lottery is not a miracle, but, it is scientifically more improbable than many "miracles" our anecdotal evidence and experiences would suggest.
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Zoom	Nov 8 2016, 11:23 AM Post #37
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Sam Nov 8 2016, 09:31 AM I don't even really believe Jesus even ever existed. Miracles are just extreme scientific improbabilities or things that we simply cannot currently explain. The god of the gaps argument does not work here. Winning the lottery is not a miracle, but, it is scientifically more improbable than many "miracles" our anecdotal evidence and experiences would suggest. So the great supers powers of that time are just delusional idiots converting from Zeus and Apollo and Jupiter to worshiping Jesus?



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Nov 8 2016, 02:14 PM Post #38
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Zoom Nov 8 2016, 11:23 AM Sam Nov 8 2016, 09:31 AM I don't even really believe Jesus even ever existed. Miracles are just extreme scientific improbabilities or things that we simply cannot currently explain. The god of the gaps argument does not work here. Winning the lottery is not a miracle, but, it is scientifically more improbable than many "miracles" our anecdotal evidence and experiences would suggest. So the great supers powers of that time are just delusional idiots converting from Zeus and Apollo and Jupiter to worshiping Jesus? The great powers of the time thought that Zeus and Apollo were real. Why is it impossible to assume that Jesus didn't exist either? There is no historical evidence of his existence aside from the Bible. We haven't actually found Jesus' tomb or the cross he died on or DNA evidence or anything of the sort. Of course, finding historical evidence would be nearly impossible, but if there is no evidence, it's usually best to assume the skeptic's position.



breaker335	Nov 8 2016, 02:21 PM Post #39
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Weren't the Romans like really good at keeping records? Pretty sure there's some documentation of Jesus. And didn't they recently find Jesus's supposed tomb? Edited by breaker335, Nov 8 2016, 02:23 PM.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Nov 8 2016, 02:42 PM Post #40
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	breaker335 Nov 8 2016, 02:21 PM Weren't the Romans like really good at keeping records? Pretty sure there's some documentation of Jesus. And didn't they recently find Jesus's supposed tomb? If you have proof, feel free to show it. The tomb thing is a conspiracy theory. Even if they did find some tomb, there would be no evidence to suggest that Jesus was actually there. Just like they supposedly "found Noah's ark."



lazerbem	Nov 8 2016, 03:52 PM Post #41
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	The Romans had good records for important people, but Jesus wasn't very important until later and paper tends to not hold up very well. Quote: Of course, finding historical evidence would be nearly impossible, but if there is no evidence, it's usually best to assume the skeptic's position. The skeptics position is that he was real, preached, and then died. It requires far less of a convoluted story than for Paul to just make him up for some reason.
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SpeedoTrunks	Nov 8 2016, 05:05 PM Post #42
Posts: 908 Group: Member Member #9,238 Joined: March 22, 2013 Gender Not Specified	Zoom Nov 8 2016, 11:23 AM Sam Nov 8 2016, 09:31 AM I don't even really believe Jesus even ever existed. Miracles are just extreme scientific improbabilities or things that we simply cannot currently explain. The god of the gaps argument does not work here. Winning the lottery is not a miracle, but, it is scientifically more improbable than many "miracles" our anecdotal evidence and experiences would suggest. So the great supers powers of that time are just delusional idiots converting from Zeus and Apollo and Jupiter to worshiping Jesus? Well....yes. There are various things that lead into the whole of Rome and its empire changing to Christianity, and a large part of it was control. In changing this and persuading people to join in with the newly created mass religion, the simply said "do the same thing you are doing, but instead of [insert religious deity here], its Jesus now". This is why then there are various "rules" within Christianity to say what you can and cannot do, and with that indoctrinated into the entire empire, it is easier to control and condemn people for not doing as they are told. This is why Christmas is the same time as various of religions winter solstice/celebration/other thing, because it was already in practice, [to celebrate at this time] but the Romans said "yeah so, carry on, but here is the reason why you do this..." and it followed suit, through out the empire. There are stories of Romans picking what would be in the "modern" bible, by throwing a large collection of books at a table, with which ever ones landed on the floor not being included. the TL;DR version of this, there is no HARD/REAL/ACTUAL evidence for ANYTHING in the bible, at all. In Terms of the the actual topic, a Miracle is something [to me at least] that 100% can not happen, but somehow has. This is why non of these supposed miracles have ever happened in the manner they are reported.....because they cant. Something happening when you least expect it, it not a miracle, its just timing/coincidence. Me suddenly spouting 4 arms after almost 30 years of being perfectly fine, now that is a miracle, but it will never happen. Often miracles you see in a religious sense are: "the painting/statue blinked/cried/bled" or "Person X can suddenly do something that is physically impossible", and its funny that only these things happen in this particular sect of religion, no? Like in many other regions, there are "stories" of miracle, but only Christianity seems to still be having them all the time, at least from what I can tell, which is because there are a large number of people within that religion either A) looking for something to prove themselves right, or B) falling for various tricks of very bad people wishing to take advantage of another persons faith in something. Another TL;DR, Miracles do not, cannot, and have NEVER happened. Ever. Edited by SpeedoTrunks, Nov 8 2016, 05:06 PM.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Nov 8 2016, 05:47 PM Post #43
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: The skeptics position is that he was real, preached, and then died. It requires far less of a convoluted story than for Paul to just make him up for some reason. I agree. It could be either that or what I said. Both are skeptical positions to take. People make things up all the time. cough Mormonism cough



Dankness Lava	Nov 8 2016, 06:15 PM Post #44
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Mr.E Nov 8 2016, 05:05 PM Zoom Nov 8 2016, 11:23 AM Sam Nov 8 2016, 09:31 AM I don't even really believe Jesus even ever existed. Miracles are just extreme scientific improbabilities or things that we simply cannot currently explain. The god of the gaps argument does not work here. Winning the lottery is not a miracle, but, it is scientifically more improbable than many "miracles" our anecdotal evidence and experiences would suggest. So the great supers powers of that time are just delusional idiots converting from Zeus and Apollo and Jupiter to worshiping Jesus? Well....yes. There are various things that lead into the whole of Rome and its empire changing to Christianity, and a large part of it was control. In changing this and persuading people to join in with the newly created mass religion, the simply said "do the same thing you are doing, but instead of [insert religious deity here], its Jesus now". This is why then there are various "rules" within Christianity to say what you can and cannot do, and with that indoctrinated into the entire empire, it is easier to control and condemn people for not doing as they are told. This is why Christmas is the same time as various of religions winter solstice/celebration/other thing, because it was already in practice, [to celebrate at this time] but the Romans said "yeah so, carry on, but here is the reason why you do this..." and it followed suit, through out the empire. There are stories of Romans picking what would be in the "modern" bible, by throwing a large collection of books at a table, with which ever ones landed on the floor not being included. the TL;DR version of this, there is no HARD/REAL/ACTUAL evidence for ANYTHING in the bible, at all. In Terms of the the actual topic, a Miracle is something [to me at least] that 100% can not happen, but somehow has. This is why non of these supposed miracles have ever happened in the manner they are reported.....because they cant. Something happening when you least expect it, it not a miracle, its just timing/coincidence. Me suddenly spouting 4 arms after almost 30 years of being perfectly fine, now that is a miracle, but it will never happen. Often miracles you see in a religious sense are: "the painting/statue blinked/cried/bled" or "Person X can suddenly do something that is physically impossible", and its funny that only these things happen in this particular sect of religion, no? Like in many other regions, there are "stories" of miracle, but only Christianity seems to still be having them all the time, at least from what I can tell, which is because there are a large number of people within that religion either A) looking for something to prove themselves right, or B) falling for various tricks of very bad people wishing to take advantage of another persons faith in something. Another TL;DR, Miracles do not, cannot, and have NEVER happened. Ever. About your point on timing and miracles. I dunno, because when I was staying at this house earlier this year I was given a month to find a new place as the landlord was moving. Fast forward to 3 days before I had to move, and I had no luck. But out of nowhere my brother texts me telling me there's a room available where he's staying and he didn't even know that I needed a place that soon.



SpeedoTrunks	Nov 8 2016, 06:26 PM Post #45
Posts: 908 Group: Member Member #9,238 Joined: March 22, 2013 Gender Not Specified	To be honest I had a similar thing, I really needed a New Job, and one fell on my lap through a distant friend. Is it a miracle? No of course not, it's just real coincidental.



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