Is There a Scientific Explanation for "Miracles?"

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Is There a Scientific Explanation for "Miracles?"
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Nov 2 2016, 01:24 PM Post #1
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Despite my strong opinions on certain subjects, I am not nearly as intelligent as a lot of you, and my scientific knowledge is extremely lacking. Can someone please explain to me how miracles work, scientifically speaking? Your own words plus articles would be nice because I love reading articles too. For example, I saw a video on Facebook the other day of a Christian revival, and a man who had previously been blind was miraculously healed. How could that have happened? Surely not all of these so-called miracle stories are just people lying or making things up, so there has to be some other explanation. Obviously a lot of things are purely circumstantial, like "Man Miraculously Survives Deadly Accident," but situations where people are healed of blindness, deafness, etc. seem much more complicated than that, and they shouldn't all be discounted as liars and frauds, should they?



EMIYA	Nov 2 2016, 02:28 PM Post #2
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Or maybe they are, or the circumstances aren't nearly as bad as they are claimed to be. Neil Degrass Tyson once spoke about the existence of aliens in that while he believed the possibility to be probable, what with the Universe being massive as heck, you can't just pop a picture down and claim "aliens!" Or the fact that eyewitness account in a court case doesn't work in the scientific community. This is exactly what the scientific community is about. You need more than just a picture or an eyewitness account. You can show a video of the Nessie and Bigfoot making love in a river but anyone can make the easy enough claim it's been edited. You physically bring Big Foot to the scientific community to actually look at and analyze and they decree "This is beyond any creature we've ever established in the animal kingdom" you might have something. in Tyson's case it was like, you say you were abducted, grab some of this so called alien technology. Take something and bring it back and show us and we might be realize what you have is something never before seen on Earth. For a scientist, you'd bring them a blind man and it would be like. "Yes, this man is blind, he will never see again. I mean look, he doesn't even have eyes!" and then one "Miracle Work" later... "Inconceivable! His eyes have returned...excuse me I need to do some tests...* a few days later* Inconcievable! His eyes have returned, science cannot explain it at all!" And you might start getting something.



* Mitas	Nov 2 2016, 02:34 PM Post #3
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	The miracles you described, of people being suddenly or inexplicably cured from illnesses and ailments, don't necessarily have to be miracles, just something that we have yet to understand. We don't know everything yet, even if it feels like we do, or should do, with all the knowledge we have at our disposal in the modern day, so with all the billions of people on this earth it's only natural that we will run into medical cases that stump our professionals.
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breaker335	Nov 2 2016, 03:10 PM Post #4
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Would luck also play into this?



+ Steve	Nov 2 2016, 03:27 PM Post #5
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	For the blind guy we never get any context on how he was blind right? Blind people usually have their eyes open so far as I know. Perhaps they were just crusted over with something and people were too stupid or didn't care to take it off. So Jesus could have rubbed some kind of salve on them and tadaa his eyes open and he can see. We lack a lot of context for them really, such as the one where he makes a dude walk again. How do we know that wasn't just a friend of Jesus who came to town and pretended he couldn't walk for a month? I've always believed that Jesus if nothing else was just way ahead of his time and could fool people easily. It's not uncommon for someone to be unnaturally smart compared to others where they come from. Put Nikola Tesla in a room with 30 other people from his time and none of them would be half as smart as he was. Honestly I'd sooner believe Jesus was a time traveller or an alien to the son of God...would it not be obvious if it was the latter? You'd think the son of the creator of everything would have more of an impact on history besides inspiring a lot of religion.
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Tinny	Nov 2 2016, 03:57 PM Post #6
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Quote: Honestly I'd sooner believe Jesus was a time traveller or an alien to the son of God...would it not be obvious if it was the latter? You'd think the son of the creator of everything would have more of an impact on history besides inspiring a lot of religion. ...Is helping to set the course and beliefs of millions up to billions of people centuries after his death not an impact? I get not liking religion allot, but it is a huge factor in the human experience for many many many people and have colored their perceptions of the world around them for so long. One can make a ton of arguments why he doesn't have to be the son of god and all that but this particular one feels a bit... Off to say the least. Also keep in mind that for quite a long time if we go by the texts the Jewish people in Isreal were outright the Judeo-Christian God's chosen people, it'd make sense that he'd appear before them, the Romans had their own gods to tend to them. Granted this period in history is not one I'm that knowledgeable in, but iirc at this point in time they did believe the roman gods existed. Just they weren't the gods of the Jewish, they were the gods of the Romans.
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* Mitas	Nov 2 2016, 04:00 PM Post #7
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Steve Nov 2 2016, 03:27 PM Honestly I'd sooner believe Jesus was a time traveller or an alien to the son of God...would it not be obvious if it was the latter? You'd think the son of the creator of everything would have more of an impact on history besides inspiring a lot of religion. Except his inspiring of religion has had a monumental impact on human history.
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DanielSan	Nov 2 2016, 05:06 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Maybe it was some kind of miracle or just something we quite simply don't understand. Humans don't understand everything yet, but when they come across something like that, where they have no idea how an event happened, they simply just don't question it and move on from it. That's all I can tell you.



SpeedoTrunks	Nov 2 2016, 05:15 PM Post #9
Posts: 908 Group: Member Member #9,238 Joined: March 22, 2013 Gender Not Specified	OFG Nov 2 2016, 01:24 PM For example, I saw a video on Facebook the other day of a Christian revival, and a man who had previously been blind was miraculously healed. How could that have happened? Because it didnt. The man pretended to be blind, and then said he could see. i was once told by a religious man of some kind, he witnessed a crippled man suddenly be able to walk again. Which is a lie, some bloke pretended to be crippled, then ran off screaming "praise the lord". Its impossible for stuff like this to happen



lazerbem	Nov 2 2016, 05:19 PM Post #10
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Quote: I've always believed that Jesus if nothing else was just way ahead of his time and could fool people easily. It's not uncommon for someone to be unnaturally smart compared to others where they come from. Jesus wasn't the only prophet running around. There were lots of people, many of them with armies that needed Roman soldiers to subdue them, in first century Palestine. Judas, son of Hezekiah (4 BCE) Simon of Peraea (4 BCE) Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE) Judas, the Galilean (6 CE) The Samaritan prophet (36 CE) King Herod Agrippa (44 CE) Theudas (45 CE) The Egyptian prophet (52-58 CE) Menahem, the son of Judas the Galilean (66 CE) John of Gischala (67-70 CE) Vespasian (67 CE) Simon bar Giora (69-70 CE) Jonathan, the weaver (73 CE) Lukuas (115 CE) Simon ben Kosiba (132-135) And probably lots more, as these are just the ones we've heard about and historical records are scant from that era. Quote: Put Nikola Tesla in a room with 30 other people from his time and none of them would be half as smart as he was. This really isn't true. Tesla is rather unfortunately overrated and a lot of what he did was kind of crackpot nonsense that he couldn't hope to prove and wasn't true. Quote: Honestly I'd sooner believe Jesus was a time traveller or an alien to the son of God...would it not be obvious if it was the latter? You'd think the son of the creator of everything would have more of an impact on history besides inspiring a lot of religion. I mean when humility is talked about a lot, it doesn't seem surprising.
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+ QueenTD	Nov 2 2016, 05:23 PM Post #11
My Dear Melancholy, Posts: 4,480 Group: Elite Member Member #11,589 Joined: August 8, 2014 Gender Female Country United States	Mr.E Nov 2 2016, 05:15 PM OFG Nov 2 2016, 01:24 PM For example, I saw a video on Facebook the other day of a Christian revival, and a man who had previously been blind was miraculously healed. How could that have happened? Because it didnt. The man pretended to be blind, and then said he could see. i was once told by a religious man of some kind, he witnessed a crippled man suddenly be able to walk again. Which is a lie, some bloke pretended to be crippled, then ran off screaming "praise the lord". Its impossible for stuff like this to happen I wouldn't say it's impossible. Some people are temporarily crippled. Perhaps the doctor thought the chances were highly unlikely.
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SpeedoTrunks	Nov 2 2016, 05:27 PM Post #12
Posts: 908 Group: Member Member #9,238 Joined: March 22, 2013 Gender Not Specified	QueenTD Nov 2 2016, 05:23 PM Mr.E Nov 2 2016, 05:15 PM OFG Nov 2 2016, 01:24 PM For example, I saw a video on Facebook the other day of a Christian revival, and a man who had previously been blind was miraculously healed. How could that have happened? Because it didnt. The man pretended to be blind, and then said he could see. i was once told by a religious man of some kind, he witnessed a crippled man suddenly be able to walk again. Which is a lie, some bloke pretended to be crippled, then ran off screaming "praise the lord". Its impossible for stuff like this to happen I wouldn't say it's impossible. Some people are temporarily crippled. Perhaps the doctor thought the chances were highly unlikely. there is a difference in "Oh, you'll be fine pending some recovery time/a new technique/etc" over "you ARE 100% crippled for life" and then a faith healer/crackpot touches you and you can suddenly walk again. the latter does 100% NEVER happen, because it IS impossible. People not believing in themselves to recover properly or something similar, is different to what I would consider "a miracle". winning the lottery is not a miracle, its just pure chance. Suddenly re-growing a set of eyeballs you never had, is a miracle.....but it doesn't happen because its physically impossible.



Gearfried	Nov 5 2016, 01:12 AM Post #13
Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #12,609 Joined: August 31, 2015 Gender Male	I was going to post two videos to make some connections. If anyone has seen videos of chi users knock people out, compare that to some tv preachers that knock people out. i don't know if the tv prechers can really make people faint for real. but i have heard of it happening locally.
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breaker335	Nov 5 2016, 02:17 AM Post #14
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	I remember seeing something about a kid who Doctors were sure was gonna die, but somehow, lived.



+ Steve	Nov 5 2016, 02:38 AM Post #15
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Tinny Nov 2 2016, 03:57 PM ...Is helping to set the course and beliefs of millions up to billions of people centuries after his death not an impact? That's an impact he had on the world yes but it's how we interpreted his alleged doings if he even existed, we created that whole thing. I'm talking about a hugely visible impact that Jesus himself carved upon the world, not things we done in his absence. Like I dunno, a river of gold or something actually God-like that couldn't possibly be denied as divine power. For how important he supposedly was, he really didn't do an awful lot. God created everything, Jesus didn't create or do anything that had that kind of impact on the world, humans created religion and we can't even be sure how much of it is true. He could literally just be some dude that knew a few magic tricks that people came to worship. Surely someone being the son of God would do things that make that fact completely obvious? Make someone immortal to tell the tale, anything that actually lasts as proof.
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