Goddess Ultimecia

Oct 27 2016, 11:01 PM

StrenuousSpider

Oct 27 2016, 06:58 PM

What are the feats of this girl. So far all i know only and barley puts her at namik level.

Did you read the OP? This is an equal stats matchup, it's been brought up like three times now.

Tinny

Oct 27 2016, 11:39 PM

StrenuousSpider

Oct 27 2016, 06:50 PM

Tinny

Oct 27 2016, 05:18 AM

StrenuousSpider

Oct 27 2016, 04:10 AM

Tinny

Oct 27 2016, 02:23 AM

StrenuousSpider

Oct 27 2016, 02:12 AM

Tinny

Oct 27 2016, 01:05 AM

StrenuousSpider

Oct 27 2016, 12:33 AM

Tinny

Oct 26 2016, 10:11 PM

StrenuousSpider

Oct 26 2016, 09:31 PM

Quoting limited to 10 levels deep
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It's not exactly like Hit is unbeatable even with his time skip, remember Goku giving Hit that nasty gash after forcing him out, Nozomi meanwhile has had seminar situations, actually managing to tank one of Kawai's attacks and pressure point strikes once she's seen her attacks in action three times. Keep in mind that at this point Kawai was fast enough that no one could even tell she attacked, all they could see at first was her spin quickly. Nozomi would likely figure out Hit's attack style and the timing of his time skip in a similarly short amount of time, especially since Hit has often been willing to give his opponents time to think.
Also Hit is stuck at the same level he'll be at through out this whole match, that includes the time skip. He's not gonna get the exponentially increasing time skip here.

Also keep in mind that Nozomi can build up an incredible amount of force given just a little distance such as that on the lands(the floating platforms from before), that could potentially knock Hit straight on into the water if he's not careful.

No what i was saying was the time skips power compared to power.

Hit
Pw 1
Sp 1
Time skip speed 45

Ssgss Goku
Pw 5
Sp 5

Kkx10 ssgss goku
Pw 50
Sp 50

So lets say goku is equal to hit

Ssgss goku
Pw 1
Sp 1

Kx10 ssgss goku
Pw 10
Sp 10

You see how much faster the time skip would be. To someone thats equal they would not be fast enough to brake it.

Now to a diffrent topic what are the strongest feats of this girl and others on the show. As well as speed feats.

Why would you need to break it to stay competitive?



Both in the times I just provided Hit used the time skip and was successfully countered. There's no need to break into the time skip in order to counter it, and since as I said Hit can't simply improve his time skip as necessary here it's not like he can get the drop by suddenly going to .2 seconds and then .5 seconds and then multiple seconds and so on.

For Nozomi's ability to adapt, learn and counter we have this.


This is Kawai Hanabi. And she is fast enough that both times she was fast enough that it looked like she was spinning to the characters, including Nozomi who at first wasn't sure just what was going on.

Now at this point Kawai just one shotted three other girls, rather quickly, speed blitzting them, and going fast enough that first Nozomi wasn't even sure what was going on. In just three examples one right after the other and not given nearly as much time as Goku to think, Nozomi was able to tell that she strikes the jaw in order to shake their brain and knock them unconscious (lightswitch punch I think it's called in actual martial arts when done with your fist), and so pulled back her jaw and actually slammed her own face into Kawai’s glutes in order to avoid getting knocked out, and from there actually has a rather competitive duel with Kawai Hanabi.
Also if you're wondering WTF is up with what they're doing with their bodies, that's the rules of Keijo, you cannot use your hands and feet to hit them, only your glutes and torso. It's a parody. And keep in mind, Kawai knocked the two girls there unconscious with her butt, and to everyone else it looked like she simply spun quickly, that's pretty incredible comparative speed for someone to go up against.

While Kawai's is doing this and any time stopping ability in place, from Nozomi's perspective I imagine they're likely the same or close enough that this example here can illustrate how fast she can keep up, especially if you give her the chance to witness Hit in action and study him. While Hit has an outright time stop and Kawai doesn't, it's still clear he gives subtle indicators about what he's going to do, otherwise Goku would not have been able to not only block, but outright punch Hit in the face.

Nozomi Kaminashi would almost certainly be able to keep up with Hit during this stage that Hit is locked in.

Well those times you said it was stopped really made goku think hey if have any chance of winning its kk. If he could truly counter it like you name it out to be than he should not have needed kk or ss . And as for self improvement if you look at my numbers again hit never changed.

Now let me addresse your feats. They do not seem impressive. We see similar speed feats in ragonball. Now we are talking hit the guy thats speed surpassed ssb which is better than ssg which charecters that are far above super sonic and arguably light could not see fighting. I need actual speed feats how fast are these people super sonic light faster.

He needed super saiyan and kaioken because Hit's time skip was improving to a point where no amount of prediction would help, to where Hit could lead off a large number of punches. ssjgssjkkx10 was needed to cut through all of that and allow Goku to actually fight Hit instead of getting hammered by Hit's ever increasing time skip. If Hit stayed at the level he was Goku could have won perfectly well without bringing out any trump cards and simply blocking Hit's time skip attack attempts and countering. Here Hit can't simply increase his time skip until it's at several seconds. He's more or less stuck at being able to start up a punch here.

You do realize it's equal stats right? There's no way in hell I'm seriously pitting people who for the most part have not even been shown to breach sound or take hits that crack the seafloor, against people presumably more powerful than super saiyan god. What's important here is comparative speed, which was that was fast enough that Nozomi literally didn't even realize what was going on at first until seeing it in action two more times, and yet Nozomi adapted quickly enough to not only think up a counter strategy, but also even keep up after a point, dodging Kawai Hanabi's strikes and countering.

I'm just gonna repeat this once more for anyone else reading. This is not equal stats, if it were it'd be like pitting Rocky against Super Saiyan God Goku.

Again i need feats. And again i never once put him getting better. Goku from the get go was stronger there for able to predict. But f he was ewual he would mot be fast enough to predict it because hes now weaker. I know you said its not equal pl. And i can say breaking a sea floor is nothing compared to what hit and them can do. Now since i believe hit is far superior he would not need time skip and if she is fast enough or faster which i highly doubt he is still stronger which eans to her the time skip is to powerfull. Look at my numbers in the other comment. I did not let hit get stronger.

At what point was base Goku shown to be stronger? Unless you're telling me base Goku had a bigger advantage on Hit than ssjgssjkkx10 did I don't see how you would get that idea. Goku for the most part was getting beat up and only did well after figuring out Hit's abilities. And then Hit was managing to keep up rather well with ssjgssj, before even increasing the time skip. Are you really telling me base Goku was stronger than Hit when ssjgssj Goku could get into extended brawls with Hit, only gaining a real advantage when Hit tried to rely on the time skip again and again, before he started improving his time skip?

Also "But f he was ewual he would mot be fast enough to predict it because hes now weaker."
This relies entirely oh the unlikely and barely supported assumption that Goku in base was stronger than Hit, likely using that gash, but that falls apart when you consider ssjgssjkkx10 had a far greater advantage on Hit than Base Goku did at the beginning and yet through out all the match Hit was able to either keep up, or taking a beating, the gash was an outlier.

Your numbers are pw and sp and time skip time, none of which give actual information on anything. Are you saying his time skip 45 seconds long? Because it was clearly described as .1 seconds and in more practical terms is enough time for him to get through most of his punch, but not enough to complete it, if you do not believe me you can watch the fight between Hit and Goku again.
Their feats in terms of strength are irrelevant here, point it's that this is equal stats.
What does that mean? "Far superior" in what way? How? If you're saying martial arts than I have to point out Hit relies almost exclusively on the time skip to get any kind of attack in, without it he can best contend with Goku, and get in exactly one, maybe three punches through out the fight.

You still seem to be arguing Hit can defeat her with his FTS speed and "at least" continent breaking strength when it's equal stats given your wording so far.

Nozomi has been shown to build up an immense amount of power of given even a little bit of space with pure momentum, making far more tough adversaries even dodge at times, and while that likely won't be the case in specific as that specific ability was ranged, the fact remains she knows how to build up momentum incredibly quickly and launch people, even those at her level, rather far, as well as a willingness to use the environment, such as kicking the water to create a temporary visual wall and allow her to get in an attack in.

Never said base was stronger. My stime skip is time skip speed not time. Ssgss is far stronger but not faster hell lets look at pikkon he is ssj level but far far faster than a ssj2. Plus hit had improved there i ever had hit improving. Hit improves time skips duration that all.

"Time Skip Speed?" What does that mean?
Is there any proof of that? Best I can think is when Goku got shot in the FnF arc and I refuse to believe that ssjgssj has less than Namek level speed, it was a sneak attack. Nothing suggests that ssjgssj is so outrageously slow compared to everything else, in fact this is kind of disingenuous towards Goku, and baseless, nothing within the anime suggests that ssjgssj is so much slower, especially since nothing was ever stated regarding it, and considering kaioken and the other super forms acted the same way.

In fact, is there anything supporting this idea that Goku could only analyze Hit because he was stronger/faster and not equal? Because, despite how I often portray him (and to a degree he's still not that smart or technical compared to most fighters across fiction), he's not a completely brainless brute. This was in fact one of his moment's of intellect in the series, much like Goku firing a Kamehameha from his feet or using the kamehameha balls as a distraction against Freeza back on Namek.

StrenuousSpider

Oct 27 2016, 06:58 PM

What are the feats of this girl. So far all i know only and barley puts her at namik level.

There's an edit button, try not to double post.

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Time skip speed meaning you need to have a certain speed to be avle o counter it properly.

And yes ill say he slower and for the same reo. I have all ready mentioned. If goku could have beat hit with out kaioken by predicting where hed be like you say why would goku think he needed kk to be able to win. Why would goku risk his life to win If he was fast enough already. And two out of three time goku predicted the time skip hit was not even trying wasnt even at full power. The one time that he did when hit was taking it a bit more serious and before he powered up. Once he did that he wiped the floor with goku. And unlike others i believe hit only improved his time skip in battle not his stats so even if this is equal his time skip is a ability to it would get stronger. Its like a kama wave in equal battles you cant take the amp away because its not counted as a stat. Watching hit vs goku was more pathetic on gokus part than when he first fought black in the future. And evidence for hit being weaker than base goku and ssgss goku was with normal hits he could barely hurt goku. He only hurt him threw pressure attacks.while goku hurt him vary easily when he was able to get the few hits that he got in before he went x10 and pretty much f***ed hit up because he was no longer handicapped by speed.