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What specifically is it that stops us from killing?
Topic Started: Oct 19 2016, 12:08 AM (941 Views)
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I once tried to stab my younger brother but there was like this force preventing me from doing it. Like it was against my programming or something. I didn't care about going to prison, something else was mentally blocking me. Obviously it was my conscience. I know that much. But what is that really? How does this programming work and where does it come from?


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I mean, I wouldn't say there's internal programming that stops us because plenty of people are out there killing. I think it's just our innate morality. Killing is bad, so you don't want to do it. But it's not that cut and dry. I actually feel like everyone is capable of killing somebody else, they just have to be put in the right (or wrong) situation. So I disagree that there's something that stops us explicitly from killing people. It's just that we have the ability to analyse and judge whether the act is necessary to do so or not (even if on a lot of occasions it feels like it's necessary when actually it's not), and in most cases it's not so we don't.
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I would also like to point out that all the negative repercussions would be overwhelming. You couldn't deal with the aftermath regardless and you would go to prison. Aside from conscience, basic human morals and ethics like everyone mentioned, of course.
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Killing a family member is a lot harder than killing a stranger. Also killing with a weapon such as a handgun or arrow are the easiest ways because there is physical distance between you and your target and for the most part you don't know for sure that you will kill the person (at least not with 1 shot).

People don't kill for so many reasons. It's illegal, they've been socialized in such a way that physical violence is very difficult or they may not have the physical ability to actually kill someone.
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Laws. If we didn't have laws against murder and hurting other people, there would be nothing stopping us. Just look at people who disregard laws, they start wars and kill "enemies" and innocent people. It's a proven fact that people killed more back in the day when laws weren't implemented as strongly as they are now.
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Oct 21 2016, 10:34 AM
Laws. If we didn't have laws against murder and hurting other people, there would be nothing stopping us. Just look at people who disregard laws, they start wars and kill "enemies" and innocent people. It's a proven fact that people killed more back in the day when laws weren't implemented as strongly as they are now.
I wouldn't necessarily say that, it's more that there wasn't as efficient means of following through with enforcement of those laws.

People back then could run, and no one would find them, but today you have the internet and the nightly news, as well as security cameras, and (given the increase in population) more potential for witnesses to your crimes.

As for the op, restraining yourself from killing someone for no reason comes from empathy and fear, which is a human emotion. I wouldn't want someone to kill me, therefore I assume other people don't want me to kill them either.

It's not so much fear of what would happen as much as fear of what we could potentially lose. So in other words, under normal circumstances, killing someone else could jeopardize our own surivival and ability to thrive. Killing someone could result in retaliation, which would not be ideal for yourself.
People seem to completely change when they have nothing left to lose, and when that happens, killing someone could actually help us gain something to survive or thrive.

For example, if anyone ever killed my daughter, that would be it for me. There wouldn't be anything in the world that could deter my drive to kill that person, and for their sake, they could just hope that the police would find them before I did.
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Oct 21 2016, 10:46 PM
For example, if anyone ever killed my daughter, that would be it for me. There wouldn't be anything in the world that could deter my drive to kill that person, and for their sake, they could just hope that the police would find them before I did.
What if it was purely by accident?
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For example, if anyone ever killed my daughter, that would be it for me. There wouldn't be anything in the world that could deter my drive to kill that person, and for their sake, they could just hope that the police would find them before I did.
What if it was purely by accident?
Then that's different, but I would still be mad at them being careless.
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Other than the obvious one being the law, empathy and the ability to take on another's perspective (which psychopaths lack).
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Laws, morals, religious or other types of views.
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For example, if anyone ever killed my daughter, that would be it for me. There wouldn't be anything in the world that could deter my drive to kill that person, and for their sake, they could just hope that the police would find them before I did.
What if it was purely by accident?
Then that's different, but I would still be mad at them being careless.
Then it's fair to say our rationale is a big factor, that prevents us from killing. When emotional boundaries are intentionally crossed, we feel intrinsically wronged and the need for action? Is it due to our primal nature?
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For example, if anyone ever killed my daughter, that would be it for me. There wouldn't be anything in the world that could deter my drive to kill that person, and for their sake, they could just hope that the police would find them before I did.
What if it was purely by accident?
Then that's different, but I would still be mad at them being careless.
Then it's fair to say our rationale is a big factor, that prevents us from killing. When emotional boundaries are intentionally crossed, we feel intrinsically wronged and the need for action? Is it due to our primal nature?
It might be.
I can't remember who said it, but someone once said that revenge was a human behavior, which is only partially true. It could have to do with self awareness, which very few other animals have been seen to have. I think that two (but not only two) of the other animals to display self-awareness is crows and elephants, both of which have been seen to seek revenge on those who have wronged them. Crows for example are able to recognize faces, and warned other crows of humans that they didn't like. Elephants for example have been known to hide the tusks of their dead herd members in the bushes, an attempt to hide them from the humans who poach them.

Our quest for revenge for example usually comes from the pain of loss, which might originate from self-awareness. We are aware of the pain and anger that we are feeling, and being self-aware, we are able to rationalize that in order to make that pain stop, we can inflict the same pain on those who have wronged us.
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Having empathy for people makes it harder to kill them, as well as having human emotions in general. For example, If your brother were to attack you, you wouldn't kill him, that is because you care for him.
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