Balanced view of Hillary vs Trump scandals

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Balanced view of Hillary vs Trump scandals
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 26 2016, 06:48 PM (1,189 Views)
Mihawk	Sep 26 2016, 06:48 PM Post #1
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Without resorting to conspiracies, John Oliver did an unbiased overlook of Hillary's "scandals" vs Trump's. Bonus: Is Trump actually a racist? Edited by Mihawk, Sep 26 2016, 06:49 PM.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 26 2016, 07:25 PM Post #2
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I can't watch the video right now because I'm at work, but I can at least respond to your bonus question because I've done so time and time again, both here and on Facebook. I don't think Donald Trump is a racist; I just think he's an idiot with no sense of political correctness. He's stated the latter numerous times. Racism is the active hatred and discrimination toward a particular race. Trump doesn't seem to actively hate Muslims or immigrants; rather, he believes that building a wall and banning Muslims is the right course of action for American stability and prosperity. He says some things that could be considered insensitive, but that boils down to him being classless, not necessarily him being a racist. Racism and a lack of political correct behavior are two very different things. I think that many of Trump's ideals are ignorant, but I'm sure he sees things differently, and apparently so do his hordes of followers. I think that Trump attracts and feeds racism, but that's an entirely different argument.



Ding	Sep 26 2016, 07:37 PM Post #3
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	Idk how to start the video where I'd like to anymore. So nvm Edited by Ding, Sep 26 2016, 07:55 PM.
	Dingo Dingo


Mihawk	Sep 26 2016, 08:07 PM Post #4
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	OFG Sep 26 2016, 07:25 PM I can't watch the video right now because I'm at work, but I can at least respond to your bonus question because I've done so time and time again, both here and on Facebook. I don't think Donald Trump is a racist; I just think he's an idiot with no sense of political correctness. He's stated the latter numerous times. Racism is the active hatred and discrimination toward a particular race. Trump doesn't seem to actively hate Muslims or immigrants; rather, he believes that building a wall and banning Muslims is the right course of action for American stability and prosperity. He says some things that could be considered insensitive, but that boils down to him being classless, not necessarily him being a racist. Racism and a lack of political correct behavior are two very different things. I think that many of Trump's ideals are ignorant, but I'm sure he sees things differently, and apparently so do his hordes of followers. I think that Trump attracts and feeds racism, but that's an entirely different argument. It was a rhetorical question. If you read the link, you'll see he's actually a racist.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 26 2016, 08:13 PM Post #5
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: It was a rhetorical question. If you read the link, you'll see he's actually a racist. It can't be a rhetorical question if it isn't a fact. I don't need a video to convince me otherwise. I've already seen pretty much every debate and speech he's done.



Mihawk	Sep 26 2016, 08:19 PM Post #6
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	OFG Sep 26 2016, 08:13 PM Quote: It was a rhetorical question. If you read the link, you'll see he's actually a racist. It can't be a rhetorical question if it isn't a fact. I don't need a video to convince me otherwise. I've already seen pretty much every debate and speech he's done. No, still. I'm not even talking about the video. The question in the OP is linked to a set of news articles that has shown the racist things he's done before he even considered becoming president. Nearly any question can be a question idk what you're talking about. Quote: A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 26 2016, 08:22 PM Post #7
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Oh. I don't hover over text in the hopes that they're a link. Sorry about that. Either way, my points still stand. I don't know why you're trying to tell me that I'm wrong. lol



Mihawk	Sep 26 2016, 08:26 PM Post #8
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	OFG Sep 26 2016, 08:22 PM Oh. I don't hover over text in the hopes that they're a link. Sorry about that. Either way, my points still stand. I don't know why you're trying to tell me that I'm wrong. lol I'm specifically responding to the fact that you said you don't think he's a racist. After that you said my question can't be rhetorical. Both of these things are wrong, and I'm pointing that out. I don't see what's wrong with that.



* Yu Narukami	Sep 26 2016, 08:33 PM Post #9
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Unfortunately, I'm unable to watch the video; it's banned in my country for some reason. It's really weird, because every other video on the channel isn't. As for Trump being racist...yeah. It's pretty undeniable at this point.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 26 2016, 08:34 PM Post #10
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	But you're not giving any reasons as to why I'm wrong. You can't just say that someone's wrong and leave it at that if you want to have an actual discussion. I want to see your reasons in your own words--your own opinion. A rhetorical question is a question that doesn't need an answer because the answer is either obvious or predetermined. Because there is no correct answer, and this all boils down to opinion, it is not a rhetorical question. Quote: A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer. The question might be one that does not have an answer. It might also be one that has an obvious answer but you have asked the question to make a point, to persuade or for literary effect. I'm gonna bring out my English graduate credentials on this one. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Sep 26 2016, 08:36 PM.



Mihawk	Sep 26 2016, 08:41 PM Post #11
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	OFG Sep 26 2016, 08:34 PM But you're not giving any reasons as to why I'm wrong. You can't just say that someone's wrong and leave it at that if you want to have an actual discussion. I want to see your reasons in your own words--your own opinion. A rhetorical question is a question that doesn't need an answer because the answer is either obvious or predetermined. Because there is no correct answer, and this all boils down to opinion, it is not a rhetorical question. Quote: A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer. The question might be one that does not have an answer. It might also be one that has an obvious answer but you have asked the question to make a point, to persuade or for literary effect. I'm gonna bring out my English graduate credentials on this one. I really don't need to explain it, everything is in the link I provided it. If you don't have time to read it then you should probably look at when you do have time. A TL;DR is that he's done a ton of racist s*** against black people and women in his casino owning days. The quote you provided works for me in my favor. I'm trying to persuade and have a literary affect with the question. It does't have to be a mathematical fact to be a rhetorical question. You're wrong.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 26 2016, 08:51 PM Post #12
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I did read the article, which is why I'm confused as to why you're telling me I'm wrong without adding to it. You can't just create a thread, have people disagree with you, and then just say "lol ur wrong u fuggin newb." That's not how adult discussions work. Are you expecting me to respond to those articles, most of which are over 10-20 years old news? Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Sep 26 2016, 08:53 PM.



Mihawk	Sep 26 2016, 09:05 PM Post #13
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	OFG Sep 26 2016, 08:51 PM I did read the article, which is why I'm confused as to why you're telling me I'm wrong without adding to it. You can't just create a thread, have people disagree with you, and then just say "lol ur wrong u fuggin newb." That's not how adult discussions work. Except I didn't say that, you're just misrepresenting and mixing up different parts of this thread to make it look like you have an argument. I created a thread and you responded to part of it with a rehash of something that doesn't respond at all to the link. You missed the link the OP, so that's all fine, but now you've thrown the thread off. So yes, you're wrong because you didn't know what you were responding to, trying to find a red herring argument in "rhetorical question" and being wrong about it, and finally straw manning my entire argument as "lol you're wrong". To get back on topic: Quote: Are you expecting me to respond to those articles, most of which are over 10-20 years old news? Well this is good because it has an actual argument in it and not just forum post fluff. But is it really a stance you want to take? "Trump isn't racist because most of the solid evidence of him being racist is from 10-20 years ago"?



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 26 2016, 09:13 PM Post #14
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Dude. You're being a dick. You posted a link within text and got smarmy when I didn't see it, and you continue trying to prove me wrong on the rhetorical question thing even though I'm right. How you're still arguing that is beyond me. If it is a rhetorical question, then it was a poorly written one and done in bad taste. Let's just drop it. Quote: Well this is good because it has an actual argument in it and not just forum post fluff. But is it really a stance you want to take? "Trump isn't racist because most of the solid evidence of him being racist is from 10-20 years ago"? Yes, actually. That's exactly the stance I want to take. I'm not a homophobic sexist even though I was only five years ago. Something that happened 10-20 years ago isn't wholly relevant unless we've seen similar things happening within the past few years. People change constantly. Hillary was probably a racist back then, too. I know that she was homophobic. What I'm trying to say is that, from what I've seen of Trump since running, he isn't a racist. He may have been racist in the past, and that's something worth considering, but the fact remains: I don't think he is a racist. My initial post (the one that you blatantly ignored and lol'd at) is the one I will continue to stand by. I'm not an idiot. (I mean, sometimes I am, but not when it comes to knowing the difference between a question and a rhetorical question. I'm sure other members can vouch for me if they see this.) Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Sep 26 2016, 09:15 PM.



Mihawk	Sep 26 2016, 09:28 PM Post #15
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	OFG Sep 26 2016, 09:13 PM Dude. You're being a dick. You posted a link within text and got smarmy when I didn't see it, and you continue trying to prove me wrong on the rhetorical question thing even though I'm right. How you're still arguing that is beyond me. If it is a rhetorical question, then it was a poorly written one and done in bad taste. Let's just drop it. Quote: Well this is good because it has an actual argument in it and not just forum post fluff. But is it really a stance you want to take? "Trump isn't racist because most of the solid evidence of him being racist is from 10-20 years ago"? Yes, actually. That's exactly the stance I want to take. I'm not a homophobic sexist even though I was only five years ago. Something that happened 10-20 years ago isn't wholly relevant unless we've seen similar things happening within the past few years. People change constantly. Hillary was probably a racist back then, too. I know that she was homophobic. What I'm trying to say is that, from what I've seen of Trump since running, he isn't a racist. He may have been racist in the past, and that's something worth considering, but the fact remains: I don't think he is a racist. My initial post (the one that you blatantly ignored and lol'd at) is the one I will continue to stand by. I'm not an idiot. (I mean, sometimes I am, but not when it comes to knowing the difference between a question and a rhetorical question. I'm sure other members can vouch for me if they see this.) Well I was 100% posting as I would normally post anywhere else on DD. Quote: It was a rhetorical question. If you read the link, you'll see he's actually a racist. I could post this to anyone else here on the forum and they wouldn't take it negatively or even remotely condescending. That wasn't my intention and if you see it as such the problem is between the chair and computer. This is the second time I've had such a fluff argument here with you. You're still wrong on the rhetorical question thing though lol, since as you quoted you can present something in a persuasive and literary manner for it to be a rhetorical question. By posing the link as a rhetorical question, I'm saying whatever is in the link should make it obvious that he's racist. Quote: What I'm trying to say is that, from what I've seen of Trump since running, he isn't a racist. He may have been racist in the past, and that's something worth considering, but the fact remains: I don't think he is a racist. My initial post (the one that you blatantly ignored and lol'd at) is the one I will continue to stand by. I'm not an idiot. (I mean, sometimes I am, but not when it comes to knowing the difference between a question and a rhetorical question. I'm sure other members can vouch for me if they see this.) Good to know we're getting somewhere. I'd say it's valid to make an argument to say he was racist and no longer is. However, I don't think evidence points to that. Right now his rhetoric isn't nearly as bad as it was before when he said he didn't want blacks working for him. It didn't before, but that kind of thing can now force you to make multi billion dollar decisions (a link) of which it couldn't before. His rhetoric is still bad, so I'd say he's making a business decision and not a moral one. Hillary changed and her rhetoric changed. She doesn't support homophobia at all now. To say that Trump is no longer a racist because he's no longer as bad as he used to be is a weak argument imo.



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