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Mewtwo vs Freeza
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~~Squall Strife~~	Sep 20 2016, 11:58 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Mewtwo vs. Freeza Scenario: Equal Pls. Who wins? lol
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Event Horizon	Nov 8 2016, 07:06 PM Post #16
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	This thread reminded me of a particular Youtube video (except that pls aren't equalized) - and it's amusing to see that people STILL think Mewtwo can beat full power Freeza, or any Freeza form for that matter. Spoiler: click to toggle As for the thread; BL Freeza would blow up the planet. But since blowing up planets is forbidden, Freeza would be IC and wouldn't. Since power levels are equalized, Mewtwo takes it.



TheACE	Nov 8 2016, 07:18 PM Post #17
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	At Equal PL, i can see Mewtwo mind crushing Frieza. Otherwise, when faced with a fierce opponent, eventually i can see him being a sore loser and popping the planet just out of spite lol. He tends to do that.
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lazerbem	Nov 8 2016, 07:53 PM Post #18
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Freeza doesn't explode the planet unless he's really losing. With Goku, Goku even says that Freeza could have finished off the planet, but Freeza wanted to test his power against Goku.
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TheACE	Nov 8 2016, 09:55 PM Post #19
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	lazerbem Nov 8 2016, 07:53 PM Freeza doesn't explode the planet unless he's really losing. With Goku, Goku even says that Freeza could have finished off the planet, but Freeza wanted to test his power against Goku. "Sore Loser" and "Out of spite." Yeah that's what i said too.
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+ Steve	Nov 9 2016, 12:58 AM Post #20
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Event Horizon Nov 8 2016, 07:06 PM This thread reminded me of a particular Youtube video (except that pls aren't equalized) - and it's amusing to see that people STILL think Mewtwo can beat full power Freeza, or any Freeza form for that matter. ...but why couldn't he? What defence does Frieza have against moves like Disable and Confusion? "He has psychic powers!" doesn't mean he's magically defended against all things psychic, especially when all he ever did was telekinesis stuff IIRC. There's no basis for him being able to resist hax moves like that. Disable his use of Ki or Confuse him in to attacking himself. It's very possible Mewtwo could win, especially if he's not limited to the game mechanics of having only 4 moves. At equal powers Mewtwo definitely wins because being as strong as another Pokémon doesn't mean their moves don't work, meanwhile Mewtwo just gets more powerful or Frieza is much weaker. Psychic moves are OP. Sleep and Dream Eater = dead Frieza
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+ Son-Goku	Nov 9 2016, 12:59 AM Post #21
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	lazerbem Sep 22 2016, 01:36 AM Son Goten Sep 22 2016, 01:36 AM Frieza blows up the planet and wins. It's equal powers Frieza still blows up the planet and wins. It doesn't matter if it's equal power levels, the planet explosion will be enough to kill Mewtwo.
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Tinny	Nov 9 2016, 01:04 AM Post #22
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Son Goten Nov 9 2016, 12:59 AM lazerbem Sep 22 2016, 01:36 AM Son Goten Sep 22 2016, 01:36 AM Frieza blows up the planet and wins. It's equal powers Frieza still blows up the planet and wins. It doesn't matter if it's equal power levels, the planet explosion will be enough to kill Mewtwo. Quote: Saying Character X can blow up the planet and win is not going to cut it any longer. In a battle, characters actually fight with each other. They don't just fly up into the atmosphere and destroy the planet. The purpose of these match ups is to see who will be victorious in a one on one (or team) battle, not to see who can destroy the planet first. It's in the updated rules thread. Planet busting isn't allowed, and to be honest I don't see why Freeza would immediately go to space and nuke the planet, he's never done that without at least getting into a battle first. Even in FnF he didn't go about it like this, He didn't do this when Trunks showed up, not even with ssj Goku or are you going to tell me he didn't fight Goku after he set the planet to self destruct? Even if planet busting was allowed you cannot simply end the debate there, especially either A: Freeza is getting nerfed or B: Mewtwo is getting buffed, both of which result in a fight where there can be a winner even while the planet is in the process of being destroyed. Edited by Tinny, Nov 9 2016, 01:06 AM.
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+ Son-Goku	Nov 9 2016, 01:08 AM Post #23
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Tinny Nov 9 2016, 01:04 AM Son Goten Nov 9 2016, 12:59 AM lazerbem Sep 22 2016, 01:36 AM Son Goten Sep 22 2016, 01:36 AM Frieza blows up the planet and wins. It's equal powers Frieza still blows up the planet and wins. It doesn't matter if it's equal power levels, the planet explosion will be enough to kill Mewtwo. Quote: Saying Character X can blow up the planet and win is not going to cut it any longer. In a battle, characters actually fight with each other. They don't just fly up into the atmosphere and destroy the planet. The purpose of these match ups is to see who will be victorious in a one on one (or team) battle, not to see who can destroy the planet first. It's in the updated rules thread. Planet busting isn't allowed, and to be honest I don't see why Freeza would immediately go to space and nuke the planet, he's never done that without at least getting into a battle first. Even in FnF he didn't go about it like this, He didn't do this when Trunks showed up, not even with ssj Goku or are you going to tell me he didn't fight Goku after he set the planet to self destruct? Even if planet busting was allowed you cannot simply end the debate there, especially either A: Freeza is getting nerfed or B: Mewtwo is getting buffed, both of which result in a fight where there can be a winner even while the planet is in the process of being destroyed. Sorry about that then. Well at least I now know.
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+ Steve	Nov 9 2016, 01:29 AM Post #24
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	It never really matters what characters could do but what they would do. Kid Buu is the only DBZ character you could really argue has a good chance of just blowing the planet up right away. But even he chose not to once he had a good fight going. Every character post-Vegeta could have blown up the planet and left in a space ship but nobody did. Frieza wouldn't do it until he felt like he was in trouble and if it got to the point where he felt that against Mewtwo then he wouldn't have long to live because Mewtwo's moves are just unfair.
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Event Horizon	Nov 9 2016, 01:36 AM Post #25
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Steve, what could Mewtwo possibly do if PLs weren't equalized? Freeza would blitz and one-shot before Mewtwo could even react. Freeza could obliterate Mewtwo with a single punch or a single ki blast - so disable doesn't really matter - disable ki, Freeza uses his fists. Confusion is just a weaker version of Psychic, and only has a 10% chance to confuse the target.



Tinny	Nov 9 2016, 01:54 AM Post #26
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Event Horizon Nov 9 2016, 01:36 AM Steve, what could Mewtwo possibly do if PLs weren't equalized? Freeza would blitz and one-shot before Mewtwo could even react. Freeza could obliterate Mewtwo with a single punch or a single ki blast - so disable doesn't really matter - disable ki, Freeza uses his fists. Confusion is just a weaker version of Psychic, and only has a 10% chance to confuse the target. Isn't the idea that one has too much of a stat advantage to be fair implied by it being equal stats in the first place? I'm not sure what the point of this post is. Edited by Tinny, Nov 9 2016, 01:55 AM.
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+ Steve	Nov 9 2016, 03:03 AM Post #27
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Event Horizon Nov 9 2016, 01:36 AM Steve, what could Mewtwo possibly do if PLs weren't equalized? Freeza would blitz and one-shot before Mewtwo could even react. Freeza could obliterate Mewtwo with a single punch or a single ki blast - so disable doesn't really matter - disable ki, Freeza uses his fists. Confusion is just a weaker version of Psychic, and only has a 10% chance to confuse the target. But again, he wouldn't do that he'd gloat about how powerful and amazing he is and whatnot way before he launched a single attack. He is way to arrogant to just go in for the kill. You can't really argue that he would when he pretty much never has unless he has some sort of mission, like wiping out a Namekian village so he can get a Dragon Ball. But even then he still likes to mess with them. That simply isn't how Frieza fights. How does Frieza pull that off without Ki? He can't fly without it, Mewtwo can. And he can use Teleport. How does Frieza even get to him? It's pretty unlikely Frieza retains even 10% of his speed without usage of Ki. Status effect moves are pretty absolute though it doesn't really matter what chance there is of it working if it does Frieza is screwed. There's also moves like Protect which absolutely protect one from damage, if a Pidgey can use Protect to defend itself against Arceus, the creator of the universe(unless Pokémon lore has changed lately) there's no reason why Frieza ought to be able to bypass it. Disable, Protect, Hypnosis. All pretty basic moves Mewtwo can learn.
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lazerbem	Nov 9 2016, 03:04 AM Post #28
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Darker	Nov 9 2016, 10:13 AM Post #29
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Event Horizon	Nov 9 2016, 10:34 AM Post #30
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Tinny Nov 9 2016, 01:54 AM Event Horizon Nov 9 2016, 01:36 AM Steve, what could Mewtwo possibly do if PLs weren't equalized? Freeza would blitz and one-shot before Mewtwo could even react. Freeza could obliterate Mewtwo with a single punch or a single ki blast - so disable doesn't really matter - disable ki, Freeza uses his fists. Confusion is just a weaker version of Psychic, and only has a 10% chance to confuse the target. Isn't the idea that one has too much of a stat advantage to be fair implied by it being equal stats in the first place? I'm not sure what the point of this post is. If you read what Steve quoted me on, you'd understand. I'm fully aware this thread is about Mewtwo vs Freeza at equal PLs. @Steve - Except Freeza has gone in for the kill quite fast (Tagoma in the FnF movie). And if Freeza is BL, he'll go in for the kill immediately. He isn't screwed. Confusion wears off and Freeza's durable enough to survive a planet's explosion and that by default includes anything Mewtwo can throw at him. Mewtwo will also have to land Disable on Freeza. Considering Mewtwo's reaction time is garbage (couldn't even dodge Mew's slow Shadow Ball), I actually have a hard time seeing Mewtwo land any attack unless Freeza purposely let himself get hit. Even then, Disable isn't permanent - it only last a few turns. Contrary to popular belief, Protect doesn't protect you from everything. Mega Rayquaza broke through Deoxys Defense's Protect with brute force. There are also moves that aren't affected by Protect. Shadow Force, Future Sight, Phantom Force, Feint and more just to name a few.



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