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Goten,trunks and kami piccolo vs; Who takes this win
Topic Started: Sep 16 2016, 11:27 AM (1,472 Views)
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Mr. Hashbrowns
Sep 16 2016, 05:16 PM
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There's no way they can win if cell used solar flare.


If Cell does that then he blinds his own team. And a pre-warning wouldn't work because Piccolo would hear it and warn the boys to shut their eyes.
Like i said because cell is gone already have this plan so there's no need for him to yell close your eyes. Piccolo knew about the solar flare move and still got hit by it. There's no way goten will shut his eye in time. If piccolo,trunks,tien couldn't do it in time what makes you think goten can?
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Cell is gone already because either one of the kids speed blitz and one-shots him as soon as the fight begins. There never will be a Solar Flare.
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Sep 16 2016, 05:18 PM
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Sep 16 2016, 05:14 PM
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Sep 16 2016, 05:06 PM
The boys would have no trouble whatsoever. Even if they started out feeding ki to the androids, it would take a long while for the gap to close.
Explain your point plz. There's no way they can win if cell used solar flare. Can't say the boy's would kill cell from the start because they won't. They would be just as confused as piccolo and the z fishers was. And like i said before 16 can used the self destruct bomb to kill trunks. And once 19 and 20 get a grip of goten when goten flash they can drain half of his ki. His ki would leave his body faster then piccolo,goku and vegeta when they was geting drained. His ki would drop by a large marg. Then that would give cell just enough time to join in and drain even more ki. More goten try power up more energy he feed them. Piccolo has no way to help him because 17 and 13 gone be giving a even harder fight 17 give him.
I thought it was pretty clear. The kids are so much more powerful that even if the androids suck away half their power, they'd still be strong enough to whoop a***. The Taoiyoken isn't going to do much when the boys can sense ki. Self-destruct is cheap and I'm not even sure it's allowed. The androids latching on would just be death for them; 19 tried it with Vegeta and got owned.
Self destruct is allowed if part of 16 last resort ability. And goten could do what vegeta did if 19 grab him in the front. Plus with dr gero grab him like he had piccolo goten won't be able to power up to get the androids off him.
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Sep 16 2016, 05:23 PM
Cell is gone already because either one of the kids speed blitz and one-shots him as soon as the fight begins. There never will be a Solar Flare.
How would the kids speed bliz him if they not serious from the start? The kids never in they life speed bliz or even try to.

like i said the boy's don't know what theses androids are capable of.

All of theses androids knows how dangerous a ssj can be.

And what would make them even target cell from the start?
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Here we go again. It's IT Kamehameha all over.

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How would the kids speed bliz him if they not serious from the start? The kids never in they life speed bliz or even try to.


If everyone is in-character then Cell turns on his team and tries to absorb 17 and 18. 16 doesn't self-destruct because he isn't fighting an evil being wanting to destroy life.

When these threads are made, it's logical to assume everyone is aiming to kill as quickly and efficiently as possible unless stated otherwise, because in-character battles open doors for tons of BS scenarios and outings. You didn't state otherwise in the OP so...
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Sep 16 2016, 05:30 PM
Here we go again. It's IT Kamehameha all over.

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How would the kids speed bliz him if they not serious from the start? The kids never in they life speed bliz or even try to.


If everyone is in-character then Cell turns on his team and tries to absorb 17 and 18. 16 doesn't self-destruct because he isn't fighting an evil being wanting to destroy life.

When these threads are made, it's logical to assume everyone is aiming to kill as quickly and efficiently as possible unless stated otherwise, because in-character battles open doors for tons of BS scenarios and outings. You didn't state otherwise in the OP so...
That's why I put goten and trunks vs the androids right. I'm using battle instinct against the enemy team not his own. And it is true goten and trunks know nothing what they capable of. Like said before piccolo will most likely go all because he know what theses androids capable of. The boy's on the other hand don't. The reason the androids will be more serious is because they what a ssj can do. I'm not saying they won't get serous at all. I'm saying by the time they do they will be at a disadvantage by then. Bs that
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http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/24325/1/

Android bombs are against the rules. They're cheap, just like blowing up the planet.
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The androids don't even need the bombs. The kids aren't going to speed blitz anyone above 18 because they lack insufficient pl to do so. So there's that.


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Sep 16 2016, 05:35 PM
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/24325/1/

Android bombs are against the rules. They're cheap, just like blowing up the planet.
It's not blowing up the planet at all. It's not even strong as cell self destruction
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Efficiency isn't equivalent to applying for the most absolute solution. It's why we don't see Krillin using the Taiyoken/Kienzan combination against everything that can't regenerate itself. The kids aren't characteristically direct like, say, Future Trunks is when trying to expedite the death of his enemy; nevertheless, once the androids/cyborgs realise how horribly outclassed they are, they would logically come to realise that their only option is using their last resorts. By the way, Cell's absorption method entails absorbing the victim's biomass on top of their energy. What exactly is stopping him from plunging his tail stinger into the cranium of a blinded Goten or Trunks and then reducing them down to a flailing body without its head? He could also go for the neck to achieve a similar result if the head is too guarded or resistant. Once that's accomplished, he finishes the meal quickly and then proceeds to use all that newly acquired strength to take down the other Saiyan kid (it only required a few panels worth of time for Cell to absorb that wealthy businessman in Gingertown).

Pyrus: Those rules stipulate that any unique ability which may potentially bypass normal power conventions of the DB universe are prohibited. If anyone heeded those rules then characters like Boss Rabbit, Spike, and arguably even Roshi would not be allowed since they each know a particular technique that works regardless of power level.
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Sep 16 2016, 05:38 PM
The androids don't even need the bombs. The kids aren't going to speed blitz anyone above 18 because they lack insufficient pl to do so. So there's that.


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Lol yeah i know but some people think the kids are Mssj level. So it's a half and half situation. So there for i go by they statement were they have the kids at Assj or mssj level. And if the bomb is allow which is a part of 16 the boy's lose to weaker opponents for being childish from the start. If 16 can't used the bomb Then trunks get serious to save goten. Unless cell get a hold of trunks while he's blinded but soon or later he may break free.
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I disagree, but even if that was the case, 16 isn't going to use his bomb. It's a last resort, and by the time he realizes he needs it, it'll be too late. The power advantage is gigantic ally skewed in favor of the kids. I don't see a way around it unless the android team can work 100% effectively together, strategizing and coming up with plans to get the boys separated as well as off-guard. I just don't see that happening, not with Cell's self-serving nature, Gero's god complex, 17 and 18 working on their own rather than with a group of people, and 16 being largely a pacifist.
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Actually is this pre RoSaT kids or Post RoSaT kids. Because if it's post, then the kids win this by themselves as ssjs. lol
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Sep 16 2016, 05:57 PM
I disagree, but even if that was the case, 16 isn't going to use his bomb. It's a last resort, and by the time he realizes he needs it, it'll be too late. The power advantage is gigantic ally skewed in favor of the kids. I don't see a way around it unless the android team can work 100% effectively together, strategizing and coming up with plans to get the boys separated as well as off-guard. I just don't see that happening, not with Cell's self-serving nature, Gero's god complex, 17 and 18 working on their own rather than with a group of people, and 16 being largely a pacifist.
Yeah i see what your saying. But the boy's turning into a ssj will make 16 and cell do the last resort plan right away. Why because 16 can sense power levels then he will simply tell his team they have no chance. Then cell will proceed to used solar flare. And that's when they android team will go all out on the kids. The only thing that's gone suprize the androids is the kids can go ssj. I can see android 8,1415 drying even 18. But they will work perfect for the front line fighters while 16,19,20 and cell used they plan to take down the kids. And 13 and 17 go to work on piccolo. And that's how the androids can pull off the win. Goten and trunks could win as well if they was serious from the start if not then most likely lose.
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The power discrepancy was absolutely massive between Base Goku and 50% Freeza as well yet he continued to recover from heavy blows and resume fighting, even after having exhausted and damaged himself from using the Kaioken x20 he was still able to take hits.

These androids/cyborgs/bio-monsters might be self-serving and arrogant, but what they all have in common is a desire for self-preservation, if not for each other as well then for themselves. I think that would override any notions of dissension they may have with each other when faced with two opponents who are so powerful. The moment Goten and Trunks become Super Saiyan, that should give #16 and Cell enough reason to stop, pause, and realise that they have to use everything they can if there's any chance of winning here. Plus, there's multiple opponents here. Who is to say that Goten and Trunks would selectively single out #16 and Cell? They can't sense the former and Cell would likely resort to Taiyoken once he saw what was going on.
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