Mecha Freeza vs 19

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Mecha Freeza vs 19; Who takes this fight
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Amerson26	Sep 13 2016, 01:18 AM Post #1
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ryan1227	Sep 13 2016, 01:22 AM Post #2
Posts: 502 Group: Member Member #13,168 Joined: May 21, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Pre absorptions, I'd give it to Mecha Freeza, assuming he doesn't use any ki blasts. Post absorptions, 19 stomps.



+ Pyrus	Sep 13 2016, 01:27 AM Post #3
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	19 wins both, but he'd have some trouble with Freeza if he can't absorb any ki.
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EMIYA	Sep 13 2016, 01:32 AM Post #4
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Quote: "This is strange? Trunks said these cyborgs were insanely strong, murderous creatures, but Goku's been kicking that one's pasty white a*** throughout the entire fight, and he's weaker than he was then when he returned to Earth." -Said nobody ever. Goku was already significantly above Post-Yardrat Goku who was already significantly above Mecha Freeza. No. 19 didn't exactly get his head kicked off in a single move when fighting this stronger version of Goku. Do you think Freeza would've done just as well as No. 19?



ryan1227	Sep 13 2016, 02:28 AM Post #5
Posts: 502 Group: Member Member #13,168 Joined: May 21, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Well, Vegeta did say that 19 wasn't as terrible as Trunks made him out to be. But I do see what you mean. The problem is, I have a hard time fitting 19 pre and post, 20, Piccolo, and the Super Saiyans in between Future Gohan and Future 17 as it is, and putting Sick Goku > Yardrat Goku would just make things harder.



+ Son-Goku	Sep 13 2016, 02:44 AM Post #6
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+ Pyrus	Sep 13 2016, 02:50 AM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	ryan1227 Sep 13 2016, 02:28 AM Well, Vegeta did say that 19 wasn't as terrible as Trunks made him out to be. But I do see what you mean. The problem is, I have a hard time fitting 19 pre and post, 20, Piccolo, and the Super Saiyans in between Future Gohan and Future 17 as it is, and putting Sick Goku > Yardrat Goku would just make things harder. This is the problem I always run into. It's difficult to squeeze everyone into that small chunk of space while giving them all adequate advantages over each other.
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EMIYA	Sep 13 2016, 04:48 AM Post #8
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	You might have to increase the gap between 50% No. 17 and Two Armed Gohan to better fit everyone. I have a feeling the anime had Gohan putting up a better fight, at least until No. 18 joined in. This of course never happens it's just... No. 17: 50% f**er, you got done son, suck my infinite energy dick. kills Gohan* I think if you increased that specific gap it would make things easier to fit everyone else. For example if Two Armed Gohan is a "10" then 50% No. 17 might be a 15. Gohan's increase later on might put him on 12 or something but No. 17's full power is still a pretty massive 30. EDIT: In fact looking back at the manga line, No. 17 said he used less than 50% of his power. No.17: “Our turn? …Heh heh heh… Sorry to disappoint…but I didn’t even use half my power when we fought before.” Edited by EMIYA, Sep 13 2016, 04:50 AM.



ahill1	Sep 13 2016, 04:52 AM Post #9
Posts: 759 Group: Member Member #12,438 Joined: June 29, 2015 Gender Not Specified Country Egypt Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? the best Favourite Manga HxH	In my old days I had #19 [pre absorptions] at SSJ Yardrat Goku or even stronger, based on Gero saying sick Goku was still within a level manageable by #19. Nowadays, I don't have these pre androids as that strong anymore. #20 established #19 gained a lot of power absorbing Goku's KMHMH: Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P14.6 Context: after No.19 absorbs Goku’s attack No.20: “Alright! No.19’s maximum power rating has greatly increased from what it was before! In contrast, Son Goku’s energy has fallen remarkably…!” Yet #19 post isn't as terrible as the rumors made them out to be, according to Vegeta: Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4 Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.” So I have problems even putting #19 pre ahead of Mecha saga SSJ Trunks, since I'd figure Vegeta would consider him to be one of the real Androids had him be greatly ahead of Trunks.



+ Pyrus	Sep 13 2016, 05:15 AM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	EMIYA Sep 13 2016, 04:48 AM You might have to increase the gap between 50% No. 17 and Two Armed Gohan to better fit everyone. I have a feeling the anime had Gohan putting up a better fight, at least until No. 18 joined in. This of course never happens it's just... No. 17: 50% f**er, you got done son, suck my infinite energy dick. kills Gohan* I think if you increased that specific gap it would make things easier to fit everyone else. For example if Two Armed Gohan is a "10" then 50% No. 17 might be a 15. Gohan's increase later on might put him on 12 or something but No. 17's full power is still a pretty massive 30. EDIT: In fact looking back at the manga line, No. 17 said he used less than 50% of his power. No.17: “Our turn? …Heh heh heh… Sorry to disappoint…but I didn’t even use half my power when we fought before.” Most rationalize that as him using less than half but more than a third.
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EMIYA	Sep 13 2016, 05:22 AM Post #11
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	If it helps, you could also put the likes of SSj Vegeta closer to Future No. 17 and stuff. By Trunks own admission, after 3 years eve he could fight the cyborgs fairly well. Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5 Context: Trunks compares No.17 and No.18 in his timeline to the ones in the present Trunks: “They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…” Heck, for what its' worth I'd even be willing to give Vegeta a slight power advantage. Edited by EMIYA, Sep 13 2016, 05:23 AM.



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