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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 11 2016, 07:56 PM (1,707 Views) | |
| + Pyrus | Sep 12 2016, 01:44 AM Post #16 |
 
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There's absolutely nothing to support 19 being stronger. You have given no statements, no feats, no implications of any sort to aid in 19's superiority. Everything you posted has been shredded, mostly because it was weak to begin with, yet you can't disprove anything we've posted in response. If you're going to be a broken record in every thread you post in, you're not going to last much longer here, so enjoy your time while you can. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 12 2016, 01:46 AM.
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Sep 12 2016, 02:15 AM Post #17 |
 
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The statements can be interpreted in many ways. So they are prone for some errors. I'll just go what is shown than what is "implied" on this one. lol Edited by Squall Strife, Sep 12 2016, 02:16 AM.
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| Slifer | Sep 12 2016, 02:38 AM Post #18 |
 
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What even is this? Did you start this topic purely for an argument? You're clearly set on who wins and history suggests any amount of evidence brought forth to you is a dead end. Yet oddly enough, the only "evidence" I've seen from you is "gender neutral" and "pov", whatever the hell those are supposed to mean. |
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| EMIYA | Sep 12 2016, 02:41 AM Post #19 |
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Squall Strife, it's going to be hard to take you seriously when not only do you not provide any substantial evidence like the others have but ending every single one of your posts with "lol" like its supposed to be a joke and that's just not going to happen on my watch. If you think No. 19 Post is stronger, back it with feats and statements from the manga. It's already been stated. Vegeta utterly thrashed No. 19 whom was bulked up on Goku and Vegeta's own energy while Vegeta himself was weakened. This exact same Vegeta had to bluff No. 20 or else he would lose.
This is the exact line in the original manga. It clearly points that if Vegeta fought No. 20, he would've lost. Therefore Vegeta had to be smart and bluff his way out. A harsh contrast to casually ripping off No. 19's arms. Edited by EMIYA, Sep 12 2016, 02:41 AM.
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Sep 12 2016, 02:50 AM Post #20 |
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Well that's a pov. I did indeed provided proof & evidencs to this topic. If that is percieved as such, is up to interpretation. Okay? Don't really see how that's now viable against me. But my bad if you or anyone takes offense to my "lols". as they are just signature. Well, that just shows how weak Vegeta is. Even Freeza could prob beat him @ that point. Vegeta was weakened to exhaustion, Idsee how that would make 20>19 post. lol |
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| ryan1227 | Sep 12 2016, 02:59 AM Post #21 |
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That very same Vegeta stomped 19, so the point still stands. |
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| Slifer | Sep 12 2016, 03:02 AM Post #22 |
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Weakened to exhaustion yet able to rip a supercharged 19's hands off and annihilate him with a blast. That doesn't work. |
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Sep 12 2016, 03:03 AM Post #23 |
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Not really as Vegeta was 100% @ the beginning of the fight. He should have finished him off @ the start of the match if he was that much stronger than 19. But he didn't, so there's that. Also, 19 was fast enough to grab Vegeta. While 20 was only fast enough to grab Piccolo. So there's that. lol |
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| ryan1227 | Sep 12 2016, 03:08 AM Post #24 |
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It was implied that Vegeta dragged out the fight to confirm if the Androids did indeed absorb energy through their palms. He also let 19 grab him.
Edited by ryan1227, Sep 12 2016, 03:13 AM.
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| Slifer | Sep 12 2016, 03:08 AM Post #25 |
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Vegeta was toying from the jump. 19 took a lot of energy from him, and Vegeta by extension lost a lot of energy. Yet he still had enough power left to detach his hands and send his head rolling.
Vegeta let 19 grab him purely to test and stop his absorption method. Also to increase the fear theory that Vegeta wanted to test. Unless that was exclusive to the anime. Edited by Slifer, Sep 12 2016, 03:17 AM.
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| Zoom | Sep 12 2016, 03:12 AM Post #26 |
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What is POV? Does it stand for Post absorb Vegeta? |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 12 2016, 03:12 AM Post #27 |
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Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4 Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.” Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P13.6 Context: after No.19 punches Vegeta, to little effect Vegeta: “I figured you were at about that level…” Chapter 344 (DBZ 150), P8.5 Vegeta: “I see, so you really do suck energy out with your hands, huh? And then you add that energy to your own…” Chapter 344 (DBZ 150), P11.1 Context: after breaking No.19’s hands off Vegeta: “You sucked out a lot, but now you can’t do that anymore…” Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P6.1-2 Context: after Vegeta scares No.20 away with a bluff Piccolo: “He really had lost a lot of stamina…when he confirmed that the androids sucked out energy with the palms of their hands…He ought to have lost if he had fought that No.20 guy…But he talked as if he still had something up his sleeve…Vegeta really is a fighting genius…He might have sur-surpassed…Goku…” Clearly toying with 19 to see what the androids were all about. Still had enough power to obliterate 19.
Point-of-view. I don't know what that has to do with this debate, though. It doesn't counter anything at all, just drags things on and on. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 12 2016, 03:17 AM.
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Sep 12 2016, 03:35 AM Post #28 |
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The androids are not even strong. The fact that 19 was in a fight with Vegeta & he did better against him than 20 did against Piccolo pretty much shows 19 post>20 It's honestly a feats vs statement discussion. And statements can be interpreted any way that the viewer percieves it. lol |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 12 2016, 03:39 AM Post #29 |
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19 did better against a toying opponent. That proves nothing. It's not feats against statements because the feats work just fine with the statements, if only you'd actually look at the context and not cherry-pick very specific parts of the fights.
Edited by Pyrus, Sep 12 2016, 03:40 AM.
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| Slifer | Sep 12 2016, 03:40 AM Post #30 |
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In comparison to who? The android-arc Super Saiyans and Piccolo? Obviously.
You've already been told why this is irrelevant but just in case you missed it, Vegeta was toying with 19. He even let himself get punched square in the face and allowed 19 to absorb a good chunk of his energy. |
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