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Sep 11 2016, 07:56 PM Post #1 |
 
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 19 Post vs.  20 Who wins? lol |
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| Slifer | Sep 11 2016, 08:01 PM Post #2 |
 
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19 absorbed energy from SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta and still got stomped by a weakened Vegeta. Piccolo speculated 20 probably could've beaten that same Vegeta if he'd called the bluff. 20 should win. Edited by Slifer, Sep 11 2016, 08:08 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Sep 11 2016, 08:11 PM Post #3 |
 
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Like Hash said, 19's power increased greatly and he was still utterly unable to fight back against SSj Vegeta. Vegeta even allowed 19 to absorb a noticeable amount of power just to confirm their absorption ability, and he still walked all over him. The most effort Vegeta had to exert in that bout was to rip 19's hands off. The rest of it was Vegeta doing as he pleased with no resistance. According to Vegeta, 19 wasn't as terrible as Trunks said the androids would be. 20 absorbed some of Piccolo's energy and still got beat rather handily. However, that was enough for Piccolo to wonder if they were fighting the androids Trunks talked about, something they didn't question when 19 fought. That right there is enough to surmise that 19 wasn't up to par, but 20 was at least enough to bring up the possibility. 20 (post) = enough to beat Trunks without much trouble 19 (post) = could beat Trunks, but not without a fight There's no implication for 19 to be stronger than 20. |
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| ryan1227 | Sep 11 2016, 08:22 PM Post #4 |
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Plus Gero was still allowing 19 to absorb Vegeta's energy, despite the fact that he hadn't absorbed any energy himself (besides Yamcha). |
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Sep 11 2016, 08:34 PM Post #5 |
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Well those are just povs. 19 lasted alot longer than 20 did in a fight. Also ssj Vegeta>Piccolo Also there is histroy to prove that Dr. Gero's creations exceed him @ some point, so it's def viavle for 19 to do the same. So the events imply 19 (post)>20 tbh. lol |
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| Slifer | Sep 11 2016, 08:35 PM Post #6 |
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Then why make this topic in the first place? |
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| + Son-Goku | Sep 11 2016, 08:44 PM Post #7 |
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So 19 has energy absorbed from the Kamehamehas while Gero doesn't even have the energy he absorbed from Yamcha? 19 should win this then. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 11 2016, 09:11 PM Post #8 |
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Excuses, excuses. All of these debates are points-of-view because we all have our own opinions and we all came to our own conclusions, even if we end up agreeing. It doesn't have any effect on whether one perspective is more correct than another.
That doesn't affect anything. If 19 was indeed enough to spur the suspicions of the Z-Fighters, it would've been noted. However, only 20 was.
Of course, it's possible. The whole point of the energy absorbing models is to become stronger. If left unchecked, 19 would eventually become stronger than Gero. That doesn't mean it happened. 16-18 were built stronger than him by default, and guess what? They were considered failures and locked up. 19 wasn't.
No, they don't, sir. Did you even read my post? The statements highly imply 20 is considered by the Z-Fighters to be an android capable of destroying Trunks in the fashion he described the future androids, while 19 was not. It's as clear-cut as that. Now, making this all work in a numbers environment, that can be tricky. That would make it easier to have 19 stronger, even if it isn't actually correct. Edit: If we're talking plain 20, without absorbing anyone's energy, I could see 19 (post) being stronger. I wouldn't count 20 out, though. He didn't absorb too much energy compared to 19. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 11 2016, 09:23 PM.
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| ryan1227 | Sep 11 2016, 09:23 PM Post #9 |
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The fact that 19 lasted a little longer doesn't mean much because Vegeta wasn't taking 19 seriously. Plus, Piccolo stated Gero possibly could've beaten Vegeta after getting some of his energy drained by 19. Gero > SSj Vegeta (Drained) > 19 (Vegeta's energy) > 19 (Goku's energy) |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 11 2016, 09:32 PM Post #10 |
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This too. Vegeta was testing 19 for the majority of their fight, allowing himself to be more defenseless than usual. It's possible 19 (post) could be stronger than SSj Vegeta (post-BBA), though it doesn't really matter too much since it was heavily implied (if not outright stated) Vegeta lost most of his energy from intentionally allowing 19 to absorb it. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 11 2016, 09:33 PM.
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Sep 12 2016, 01:02 AM Post #11 |
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Gneder Neutral. Well, different viewpoints. It's not the best answer, but it's really the only viable one. 19 lasted longer against Vegeta than 20 did against Piccolo. 20 ran away from a severely weakened Vegeta. Freeza could prob beat ssj Vegeta in that situation. lol |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 12 2016, 01:22 AM Post #12 |
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Maybe in your mind, but it contradicts logic. The most viable answer would be going with what the characters think, not what looks the best to you.
Already countered. http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=11008312&t=10001442
20 fell for Vegeta's bluff. That's all. Even Piccolo said Vegeta was a genius for that because he would've gotten beat had they actually fought. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 12 2016, 01:24 AM.
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| ryan1227 | Sep 12 2016, 01:23 AM Post #13 |
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Saying Freeza could beat weakened Vegeta doesn't disprove anything I said. Weakened Vegeta still crushed an even stronger 19, yet it was stated by Piccolo that he could've lost against Gero. If 19 was stronger than Gero, Vegeta would've destroyed him and been done with it. |
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Sep 12 2016, 01:28 AM Post #14 |
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Well, POV. There hasn't been anything concrete to counter 19 post>20 as of yet. Again POV. Well it did disprove 20>19 post. So it's viable ig. lol |
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| ryan1227 | Sep 12 2016, 01:33 AM Post #15 |
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Where does anything in our posts disprove 20 > 19 post? |
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