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Ssj goku and piccolo android arc vs ssj vegeta and trunks; Could piccolo and goku pull this win off?
Topic Started: Sep 7 2016, 07:42 AM (2,394 Views)
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We also need to stay on topic, we have threads and even sections for normal conversation and jokes. This is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand and the related topic of including the movies.
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Really, Amerson, to say someone is being ignorant isn't an insult. It's merely a comment on how wrong they are, which in many, many cases is just a matter of fact.

And if you think being told you're wrong is wrong, then you're wrong.

Edit:- I didn't post this after the warning on purpose.
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Sep 8 2016, 03:37 AM
Yeah, I just glanced over the few pages to this thread, and what the hell is going on?


On topic - My numbers for the beginning of the Android arc

SSj Vegeta - 340
SSj Goku - 320
SSj Trunks - 280
Piccolo - 260

Vegeta should have a slight edge over Goku, based off of Piccolo's statements. If those two fought, I could see Vegeta pulling out a win after a good struggle, if he stays level-headed. Goku is Goku though, and he definitely could still take this.

This would leave Piccolo to fight Trunks. I don't have huge gaps between all 4 guys here. I'd like to make the argument that Piccolo has a chance against Trunks. The young Super Saiyan is disposed of by No. 17 just as easily as Piccolo, but we have Vegeta getting absolutely pummeled, so I have a bigger gap between Trunks and Vegeta than I do for Piccolo and Trunks. I personally never found Trunks that impressive, he makes rookie mistakes, Cell even calls him out on this. Piccolo has shown himself to be a very competent fighter, and his skills and experience should help mask the power difference between him a Trunks in this fight, I'd call it a toss up.

I'm speculating and dragging on, sorry. I'd say if Vegeta could beat Goku fast enough then Trunks and Piccolo would still be fighting each other and Vegeta could finish it.
Yeah I see were you coming from. It definitely can go both way's depending on how goku and vegeta play they cards right. It will indeed be a close fight.
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Sep 8 2016, 03:38 AM
Really, Amerson, to say someone is being ignorant isn't an insult. It's merely a comment on how wrong they are, which in many, many cases is just a matter of fact.

And if you think being told you're wrong is wrong, then you're wrong.

Edit:- I didn't do that on purpose.
Okay I'll keep that in mine. It's ok to call some ignorant. I'll be sure to used it down the road if it's ok😌
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Sep 8 2016, 03:37 AM
Yeah, I just glanced over the few pages to this thread, and what the hell is going on?


On topic - My numbers for the beginning of the Android arc

SSj Vegeta - 340
SSj Goku - 320
SSj Trunks - 280
Piccolo - 260

Vegeta should have a slight edge over Goku, based off of Piccolo's statements. If those two fought, I could see Vegeta pulling out a win after a good struggle, if he stays level-headed. Goku is Goku though, and he definitely could still take this.

This would leave Piccolo to fight Trunks. I don't have huge gaps between all 4 guys here. I'd like to make the argument that Piccolo has a chance against Trunks. The young Super Saiyan is disposed of by No. 17 just as easily as Piccolo, but we have Vegeta getting absolutely pummeled, so I have a bigger gap between Trunks and Vegeta than I do for Piccolo and Trunks. I personally never found Trunks that impressive, he makes rookie mistakes, Cell even calls him out on this. Piccolo has shown himself to be a very competent fighter, and his skills and experience should help mask the power difference between him a Trunks in this fight, I'd call it a toss up.

I'm speculating and dragging on, sorry. I'd say if Vegeta could beat Goku fast enough then Trunks and Piccolo would still be fighting each other and Vegeta could finish it.

I'd rather have the gap between Trunks and Piccolo larger than the one between Trunks and Vegeta. Piccolo revered Trunks when consoling everyone after the android fight, and Kami never pointed out Piccolo as anything special like he did with the Super Saiyans. There's also Vegeta being unable to lose Trunks on the way to Gero's lab, despite clearly trying to.
Amerson26
Sep 8 2016, 03:37 AM
Pyrus
Sep 8 2016, 03:34 AM
Amerson26
Sep 8 2016, 03:32 AM
Pyrus
Sep 8 2016, 03:29 AM
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Sep 8 2016, 03:26 AM
SuperSaiyan2
Sep 8 2016, 03:24 AM
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Sep 8 2016, 03:22 AM
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Sep 8 2016, 03:15 AM
I think this resembles an appeal to ignorance, but maybe that's just me.
That wasn't call for. everyone is calm down then you come out of no were to calling someone ignorant. I'll just report that its cool
He's referring to a fallacy, not saying that you are personally ignorant.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/ignorant.html
He said ignorant to me before that comment. So who else he referring to. like I said its cool
What your argument was beforehand was ignorant (seriously, claiming Goku would "stomp" Vegeta is nothing but wrong), and I'm not going to apologize for pointing that out. However, I'm not calling you ignorant, at least not at the moment. My last post was in reference to the logical fallacy, Appeal to Ignorance, which some others were gracious enough to make note of. In this case, yes, it appears you are arguing from a lack of evidence against Goku being able to use the IT Kamehameha, which is an unusual claim to make.
I don't care what you thought was ignorant. that's not called for at all. I'm a person don't agree with you that's ok. Don't go calling someone any type of name.
So basically use G-rated words that will never possibly offend anyone and probably won't get the same point across?
Calling someone ignorant is a insult. If you gone act like that towards someone then leave this topic. there's no point to add to the fire especially if I haven't disrespect you.

Calling someone's argument ignorant is such a minor reason to throw a fit and take it this far. That's debating. The word "ignorant" gets thrown around a lot, as do a lot of much worse words. If that's too much for you, I don't know what to tell you. If I was actually trying to insult you, I would have, so just calm down a little, mate.

On topic, the Appeal to [insert some other word?] still stands. The burden is on your shoulders.
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I'm tired of this nonsense! You're all banned! Topic closed! GTFO!

I'm kidding but it seems a little trouble is coming across the versus so allow the great and wonderful Brofist help everyone out here.

@ Amerson: As someone who has more or less known Pyrus and Lazuli at least as posters for a good deal I've been on this forum and even on other forums, I guarantee you that none of them are trying to hold any ill will or grudges against you. I haven't read through the whole topic but from what I gather you're trying to bring up stuff along the lines of Movies.

When you've put in the lines that this is Android Arc Goku or Android Arc anyone, we automatically go to the manga version of that character. In the same way if I said Boo Arc Gohan, I wouldn't include Movie 10 Gohan, that would be a completely separate Gohan for us. In the same way that using IT Kamehameha is a cop out. It's fair to say that Goku has a lot of skills and potential techniques but as noted before these didn't necessarily help him with Majin Vegeta.

Regardless of anything else, yeah nobody here is trying to be rude or insulting. Don't try to take what the others are saying the wrong way.

Now have fun children. :)

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Sep 8 2016, 03:44 AM
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Sep 8 2016, 03:37 AM
Yeah, I just glanced over the few pages to this thread, and what the hell is going on?


On topic - My numbers for the beginning of the Android arc

SSj Vegeta - 340
SSj Goku - 320
SSj Trunks - 280
Piccolo - 260

Vegeta should have a slight edge over Goku, based off of Piccolo's statements. If those two fought, I could see Vegeta pulling out a win after a good struggle, if he stays level-headed. Goku is Goku though, and he definitely could still take this.

This would leave Piccolo to fight Trunks. I don't have huge gaps between all 4 guys here. I'd like to make the argument that Piccolo has a chance against Trunks. The young Super Saiyan is disposed of by No. 17 just as easily as Piccolo, but we have Vegeta getting absolutely pummeled, so I have a bigger gap between Trunks and Vegeta than I do for Piccolo and Trunks. I personally never found Trunks that impressive, he makes rookie mistakes, Cell even calls him out on this. Piccolo has shown himself to be a very competent fighter, and his skills and experience should help mask the power difference between him a Trunks in this fight, I'd call it a toss up.

I'm speculating and dragging on, sorry. I'd say if Vegeta could beat Goku fast enough then Trunks and Piccolo would still be fighting each other and Vegeta could finish it.

I'd rather have the gap between Trunks and Piccolo larger than the one between Trunks and Vegeta. Piccolo revered Trunks when consoling everyone after the android fight, and Kami never pointed out Piccolo as anything special like he did with the Super Saiyans. There's also Vegeta being unable to lose Trunks on the way to Gero's lab, despite clearly trying to.
What kind of a boost do you give to Piccolo when he merges with Kami?
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Sep 8 2016, 03:56 AM
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Sep 8 2016, 03:44 AM
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Sep 8 2016, 03:37 AM
Yeah, I just glanced over the few pages to this thread, and what the hell is going on?


On topic - My numbers for the beginning of the Android arc

SSj Vegeta - 340
SSj Goku - 320
SSj Trunks - 280
Piccolo - 260

Vegeta should have a slight edge over Goku, based off of Piccolo's statements. If those two fought, I could see Vegeta pulling out a win after a good struggle, if he stays level-headed. Goku is Goku though, and he definitely could still take this.

This would leave Piccolo to fight Trunks. I don't have huge gaps between all 4 guys here. I'd like to make the argument that Piccolo has a chance against Trunks. The young Super Saiyan is disposed of by No. 17 just as easily as Piccolo, but we have Vegeta getting absolutely pummeled, so I have a bigger gap between Trunks and Vegeta than I do for Piccolo and Trunks. I personally never found Trunks that impressive, he makes rookie mistakes, Cell even calls him out on this. Piccolo has shown himself to be a very competent fighter, and his skills and experience should help mask the power difference between him a Trunks in this fight, I'd call it a toss up.

I'm speculating and dragging on, sorry. I'd say if Vegeta could beat Goku fast enough then Trunks and Piccolo would still be fighting each other and Vegeta could finish it.

I'd rather have the gap between Trunks and Piccolo larger than the one between Trunks and Vegeta. Piccolo revered Trunks when consoling everyone after the android fight, and Kami never pointed out Piccolo as anything special like he did with the Super Saiyans. There's also Vegeta being unable to lose Trunks on the way to Gero's lab, despite clearly trying to.
What kind of a boost do you give to Piccolo when he merges with Kami?
About 2x, give or take.

It can be a tight fit, but it's possible.
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