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ssj2 Kid Gohan vs Pre RoSaT ssj Gotenks
Topic Started: Sep 3 2016, 07:52 PM (1,444 Views)
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Imo Gotenks would rip Gohan to shreds in seconds.
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Fusion was considered the strongest thing alongside Super Saiyan 3, so SSJ Gotenks at this point demolishes him. There's no way Piccolo wouldn't have doubts about his power if he were below SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Piccolo acknowledged that having two superior Super Saiyans and Gohan alongside wouldn't have made a difference against Fat Buu, so in order for Piccolo to believe they had a chance, he'd easily be above SSJ2 Kid Gohan.
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This is an easy win. Heck, even if he screwed around 28 minutes of the fight, two minutes is way more than enough time for Gotenks to win. Especially considering how easily Fat Boo was able to pick apart ASSJ Majin Vegeta, and yet SSJ3 Goku more than held his own against him. Then of course you have all of Goku and Piccolo's statements, which should be more than enough evidence supporting Gotenks.
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POVS.But thx for the input regardless, Ig we'll never know truly where Gotenks power truly lies. lol
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We know he's in the ballpark of Fat Boo and SSJ3 Goku at the least, which is more than Vegeta and Kid Gohan can say.
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Well the daizenshuu & the Chozenshu says differently. And the Chozenshu were released in 2013. So if there was a mistake they would have fixed it. But it's still there. So I'll just share the pov of the people who work closely with AT. lol
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I don't know why you wouldn't want to share Toriyama's POV from when he was actually writing the manga, but to each their own.
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That's just speculation. These people have actually worked with AT, questioned him on various events,etc.He does interviews for these volumes. He's said that these volumes helped him out.
He signs off on these volumes, something he doesn't have to really do. AT has read these volumes. If there was something he opposed to greatly, the Chozenshu entry would have been different or @ least have openly said something by now.

the statements are open to various interpretations so. There could be an interpretation that could follow the Daizenshuu entry plus the manga. It's possible. lol

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That's just speculation. These people have actually worked with AT, questioned him on various events,etc.He does interviews for these volumes. He's said that these volumes helped him out.
He signs off on these volumes, something he doesn't have to really do. AT has read these volumes. If there was something he opposed to greatly, the Chozenshu entry would have been different or @ least have openly said something by now.

the statements are open to various interpretations so. There could be an interpretation that could follow the Daizenshuu entry plus the manga. It's possible. lol

At the end of the day, intention is trumped by statements and feats. Toriyama could tell anyone that he intended for Gotenks to be weaker than Majin Vegeta for as long as he wanted, but the manga tells a different story. All using the Daiz in this case would do is show that Toriyama is totally ineffective at getting his message across, if the Daiz actually reflected his own view.
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I guess you're saying he accepted the contradictions and mistakes in the guidebooks too, if you're saying he would've only declined if something was greatly wrong. By effect that pretty much means the books are PURPOSELY giving us wrong information, doesn't it?

The manga still trumps all, even his own interviews. It's the ultimate source because at the end of the day, that's what he wrote for us. The Daizenshuu entry is in direct opposition of the statements given in the manga, and if that's the case, the manga takes priority. Different interpretations are fine, but in this case you've only given a very lousy, very desperate, and very nonsensical viewpoint. A kamikaze attack? That's ridiculous and shouldn't really be humored. Even Kaboom gives a better idea of why he takes the Daizenshuu at face value, despite it still seeming like it's nerfing Gotenks for the purpose of low numbers.
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