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17 and 18 vs buu; What if they trained instead of the kids?
Topic Started: Sep 2 2016, 06:13 AM (671 Views)
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What if 17 and 18 trained in the time chamber instead goten and trunks? And what if they was to do fusion dance after training? wouldn't this be a good idea as well?


If that was not to work am sure trunks mom could do something to make them into one bean just like 15,14, And 13.
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The power of 17& 18 combined would be stronger than Base Gotenks, if possible.

But that's it as the kids aren't that far behind the cyborgs, So once Gotenks turns ssj he wins. lol
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They wouldn't gain much from training. Fusing wouldn't make them stronger than Gotenks either. They'd get wasted.
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Well we don't know how great a android gain would be by training
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They're basically humans with infinite energy cores and structurally superior bodies. I don't think their gains would rival the Z-Fighters' at all.
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Sep 2 2016, 06:34 AM
They're basically humans with infinite energy cores and structurally superior bodies. I don't think their gains would rival the Z-Fighters' at all.
You sure the z fighters have to take breaks. And the androids don't they can go long as they want.
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Think of the Cyborgs as humans with enhancements. 17 & 18 originally did not have the power that they have rn. In order for them to be stronger, they would have to break their limits. And the enhancements is where it become their greatest block to get stronger. If they do get stronger, it would be minimal because of these emhancements.


If 17 could get way stronger, I think he would have @ least tried to train. But no, after CG he became a park ranger & settled down. lol
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Saiyans make much greater gains than humans, especially when they are young. It's not noted that cyborgs can make greater gains than humans, so I'm gonna assume they are the same.

That said, I have this: SSJ Kids > 18 (and 17) > Base Kids.

The cyborgs wouldn't win against Super Boo even with 2 years of RoSaT.
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They wouldn't be able to perform it anyway as they don't possess Ki, nor are they able to suppress their own energy.
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Sep 2 2016, 06:50 AM
They wouldn't be able to perform it anyway as they don't possess Ki, nor are they able to suppress their own energy.
Of course they have ki. How else would 18 be able to create a Kienzan?
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The cyborgs def have ki as they are still living forces (human). It's just as they probs have such a small ki that it's basically non existant.


Also, the Cyborgs have been shown to suppress their own energy as well. lol
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Sep 2 2016, 06:43 AM
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Sep 2 2016, 06:34 AM
They're basically humans with infinite energy cores and structurally superior bodies. I don't think their gains would rival the Z-Fighters' at all.
You sure the z fighters have to take breaks. And the androids don't they can go long as they want.
But you have to break your body down in order to reap the rewards.
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They wouldn't be able to perform it anyway as they don't possess Ki, nor are they able to suppress their own energy.
Of course they have ki. How else would 18 be able to create a Kienzan?
If they did, the Z Senshi would've been capable of sensing them. It's made rather explicit that them not giving off any energy is indicative that they don't have Ki:

Chapter 337 (DBZ 143), P12.5-6
Context: after the androids blow up Yajirobe’s car
Goku: “Wh-what’s going on…?! I-I couldn’t sense any ki at all…
Gohan: “ It-it’s because they’re androids…Th-they don’t have any ki…!

Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P10.1
Vegeta: “One of those guys with mysterious, absurdly large battle powers has vanished…But the other one remains…It’s not No.17 or the other androids. They don’t give off any presence at all… W-who the hell is it…!?”
Context: the vanished one is Cell, and the remaining one is Piccolo

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Sep 2 2016, 06:56 AM
The cyborgs def have ki as they are still living forces (human). It's just as they probs have such a small ki that it's basically non existant.


Also, the Cyborgs have been shown to suppress their own energy as well. lol
Android 20 is also a human-based Android that doesn't have any Ki. What you're implying isn't true and is a fabrication of what's actually stated. Them having not having any Ki is literally what it means. There's absolutely no way to fabricate that not having any Ki suddenly means that they have a small amount of ki. That's rather contradictory.

And no, Cyborgs haven't been shown to control their energy. The only thing they're capable of doing is suppressing their effort and it aligns perfectly to Piccolo having to lecture Android 20 on the fundamentals of Ki control.
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Sep 2 2016, 07:37 AM
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Sep 2 2016, 06:55 AM
Goku9001
Sep 2 2016, 06:50 AM
They wouldn't be able to perform it anyway as they don't possess Ki, nor are they able to suppress their own energy.
Of course they have ki. How else would 18 be able to create a Kienzan?
If they did, the Z Senshi would've been capable of sensing them. It's made rather explicit that them not giving off any energy is indicative that they don't have Ki:

Chapter 337 (DBZ 143), P12.5-6
Context: after the androids blow up Yajirobe’s car
Goku: “Wh-what’s going on…?! I-I couldn’t sense any ki at all…
Gohan: “ It-it’s because they’re androids…Th-they don’t have any ki…!

Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P10.1
Vegeta: “One of those guys with mysterious, absurdly large battle powers has vanished…But the other one remains…It’s not No.17 or the other androids. They don’t give off any presence at all… W-who the hell is it…!?”
Context: the vanished one is Cell, and the remaining one is Piccolo

Then it's quite a contradiction, because both 17 and 18 used ki attacks in the manga and anime.
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