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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Sep 23 2016, 01:26 AM Post #76 |
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(1) God did not create a cruel world. He created a good world. Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good." (2) We are the ones responsible for the world's decay. Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned." (3) The devil inflicts cruelty on the world. He is the mass murderer with the highest kill count. For all evil desires originate from the devil. John 8:44 "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." |
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| + Steve | Sep 23 2016, 02:02 AM Post #77 |
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Where do you get the idea that all suffering is the fault of humans...? Again, who's fault is it when a child gets bone cancer? No human is to blame for that. God created cancer. (though I'm sure there are conspiracy nuts out there who think we did) There's a huge difference between someone getting heart disease because they're greedy and someone getting a terminal illness out of nowhere. Certainly, if you eat 30 Big Macs a day you were asking to die an early death. But an innocent child does not deserve to be afflicted with a terminal illness, no matter how bad other people are a God that justifies punishing the innocent is a completely evil being. I'm about as cynical as one can get, in the past hour I've seen some of the most disturbing s*** thanks to the internet...but even I can say not all humans are bad. There are plenty people that don't deserve the horrible things that happen to them, plenty more who do deserve horrible things happening to them but they live happily.
Sorry but that's complete nonsense. Just because it says it's good in a book doesn't mean it's true. Nature is extremely cruel, can you honestly listen to the screams of a deer choking on it's own blood as a bear eats it alive and say "Well done God, you couldn't have provided a better experience for everyone involved"?
God drowned billions of people...yet is good? By the standards placed upon human beings, God is evil through and through. Selfish and despicable. At least Satan doesn't deny what he is. I see no reason why God deserves devotion. If it were a truly decent being it would punish the evil and the evil alone but everyone gets punished for the actions of a few? That's just silly. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Sep 23 2016, 02:22 AM Post #78 |
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By blatantly ignoring my second point, you are proving my argument. Humans never accept responsibility. We ruined this world. You say this world is cruel. You are right, for it is. And we make it even more cruel every day. Yet instead of admitting this world needs a Savior, you blame God. In fact, you just complimented the devil by saying "at least Satan doesn't deny what he is," while calling God "evil and selfish." God did punish evil alone. Noah was a preacher of righteousness. The world did not listen and regarded its selfishness and depravity as things that were "good" instead. 2 Peter 2:5 "he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others." Edited by SuperSaiyan1993, Sep 23 2016, 02:26 AM.
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| Dankness Lava | Sep 23 2016, 02:28 AM Post #79 |
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What happens to a rapist who gets away with rape and continues living a normal fulfilled life? Is he really not going to be judged? What if he lives a great life and gets rich? What if he's president or king? |
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| + Steve | Sep 23 2016, 02:49 AM Post #80 |
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I didn't feel a point in responding to that, how does that refute everything I said? By ignoring everything I said based on that you're showing that you need to come up with excuses to justify God not being evil. We did not ruin the world, that's an absurd claim for anyone to make. Maybe some of us did? You could argue that. But if only some of us did why do people who had nothing to do with it suffer? Why can't God fix what was broken instead of letting it's creations suffer because it was incompetent? What God's process is like is capturing a serial killer and then killing his child because the killer done bad things and then killing the rest of his family because he did bad things. That's insane.
My intention was to compliment the devil. God has killed far more people than the devil and for silly reasons like it's own ineptitude. Painting the devil as true evil is simply ignoring Gods actions. The whole concept of the devil is just someone that defies God, of course the books make him sound horrible. But God still does worse within said books. God is just an oppressive force.
Maybe you could justify that at the time. But that still doesn't justify the innocent being afflicted by horrible illnesses now. Could you look at a stillborn child and pick out a single reason it deserved such a fate? If God told you "That happened because some guy on the other side of the planet cheated on his wife" would you say that was just? If humans are to blame for everything then this is the state of affairs here, innocent people being killed for the actions of the guilty. It makes no sense and "because God" isn't an answer. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Sep 23 2016, 03:02 AM Post #81 |
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The verses from my previous posts show that demons cause illnesses, not God. The verses from my previous posts show that murderers and liars carry out the devil's desires. You keep ignoring the devil, and keep choosing to blame God instead. The devil and mankind are both to blame, for the devil and mankind both ruined the world. The devil perpetuates illnesses, humans commit crimes, and you blame God for not stopping these evils. Someone solicits a person to murder a civilian, and you blame the bystander, whom the civilian told to stay away from him in the first place. When God did stop evil, you blame how he did it, even though you are ignoring the fact that he told Noah to warn the world. He told prophets and he tells his church to warn the world. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Sep 23 2016, 03:14 AM Post #82 |
 
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He's also asking why innocent babies are getting cancer and other terminal illnesses though |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Sep 23 2016, 03:27 AM Post #83 |
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Perhaps, I should have given a more straightforward answer. Thanks. Well, he thinks God creates cancer and inflicts it on infants. I was trying to show the Scriptures proclaim demons use the fallen nature of our world to create cancer. (the verses from my previous posts) Many people don't know this, so they blame God instead of the real culprit. |
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| + Steve | Sep 23 2016, 03:31 AM Post #84 |
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And God created demons. Or was God too stupid to know what might happen?
What does that make God then? Whenever God does something bad...God is surely just as evil as any demon, unless they too can manipulate God?
Because God created everything. God created the concept of evil, death, pain, suffering. For no good reason.
In the past. How is that anyone else's fault? I'm seeing no justification for why humans should suffer for what people allegedly did thousands of years ago, after God wiped the slate clean. That's complete nonsense. God is either evil or no smarter than a 4 year old. God created Satan full well knowing what Satan was capable of and yet humans are to blame? Humans are to suffer? When Eve ate from the tree she had no concept of right or wrong yet God deems it just to punish every single being born thereafter. And then has the gall to say what's bad and what isn't. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Sep 23 2016, 03:45 AM Post #85 |
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Sin is a spiritual virus. Our ancestors contracted it, and now we are all born with it. It is a heritable and inextricable disease. Some people look healthier than others, because their moral lifestyle is a medicine that reduces the symptoms. People who strive to be moral are indeed less selfish and kinder than others. Nevertheless, the virus remains in all. Everyone is still to a degree self-centered and vulnerable to making evil decisions. That is why Jesus proclaimed we need to be born again. Only Jesus's blood has the cure for this virus. If one accepts Jesus as one's Savior, His blood erases your virus, so long as you choose to keep relying on Jesus for the strength to live out the commands to love others and love God, As for Eve, God told Adam and Eve, "if you eat of the fruit of the forbidden tree, you shall surely die." They were adults, not children. And they knew God does not lie. Eve chose to believe the serpent instead, because she thought becoming like God was too tempting to pass up. Once God confronted them, they hid because they knew they had done wrong. Instead of admitting this, they all blamed each other. Finally, God gave everyone free will to choose to obey His law. Satan deceived the world into believing selfishness, sinning by disobeying God, is freedom. Yet we see the results of sin. Demons create diseases and tempt humans to cause others to sufffer. God's law, in contrast, moves us to love others and to praise God instead of ourselves. Therefore, it is sin, the violence of man and the diseases of demons, that ruins the world, not God. Edited by SuperSaiyan1993, Sep 23 2016, 04:07 AM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Sep 23 2016, 03:46 AM Post #86 |
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People apparently haven't learned much though. That's why there continues to be so much suffering There is a reason God allows for the existence of evil. He gave us free will as well so we can see evil vs good and choose We have a choice to follow the devil or God. We're not perfect and as long as we accept that we make mistakes, God will forgive you Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Sep 23 2016, 03:57 AM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Sep 23 2016, 10:48 AM Post #87 |
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Babies didn't choose to have free will, though. We didn't. Why should an entire species be doomed to suffer the cruel fates of the world because of the decision of a single person? That seems incredibly immature; essentially holding a grudge and damning the children of somebody who's wronged you, even though those children have done nothing wrong. He's acting as an observer, watching as all these terrible diseases, that he created the conditions for, ravage populations and kill innocent babies and young children. Whatever your sense of morality, that's unacceptable; being able to prevent those things but not doing so because 'they made their choice', even though they didn't, is despicable. |
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| Meowth | Sep 23 2016, 11:53 AM Post #88 |
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Can't this just be answered by saying it's gods plan.
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| Tinny | Sep 23 2016, 12:02 PM Post #89 |
 
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This idea of heritable sin also kind of relies on the idea of the tribe being the normal unit of a society, rather than the individual. Also perhaps my theological studies are lacking, but we all presumably chose to get reborn in this insane planet back when we were all in heaven including Lucifer. Not exactly a perfect explanation for any of this but I thought I'd bring it up. |
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| Dankness Lava | Sep 23 2016, 01:24 PM Post #90 |
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Do you guys even know what evil is |
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