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How do Christians respond to this?
Topic Started: Aug 27 2016, 01:04 AM (6,452 Views)
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Sep 1 2016, 07:55 PM
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Sep 1 2016, 01:33 PM
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I don't understand, so you're saying the old testament is written that way because of human limits of that time?

Yes, and the people who created said religion probably didn't think about it as deeply as we are right now.
Right or wrong I guarantee they thought about it much more than we are in this 4 page thread
They weren't capable of producing the same thoughts given their extremely limited perceptions of science and history, soooo no, sorry, you're wrong.
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I don't understand, so you're saying the old testament is written that way because of human limits of that time?

Yes, and the people who created said religion probably didn't think about it as deeply as we are right now.
Right or wrong I guarantee they thought about it much more than we are in this 4 page thread
They weren't capable of producing the same thoughts given their extremely limited perceptions of science and history, soooo no, sorry, you're wrong.
I'd agree if this was a scientific thread. We've been talking about heaven and he'll ffs. They were fully capable of deep and meaningful metaphysical discussions. Tbh that was their specialty because they didn't have our resources. They had to rely on reason and logic alone.

I feel like just calling you an ageist bigot but I won't go that far.
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What exactly is an ageist bigot and how am I that?
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Sep 1 2016, 08:27 PM
What exactly is an ageist bigot?
If you don't know the meaning of that you've officially lost the argument.
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What's the argument and why are you spamming?
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Sep 1 2016, 08:28 PM
What's the argument and why are you spamming?
I'm not spamming.

Let's forgot that I said ageist bigot and get back on topic.
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You're on probation, therefore anything you have to say is disregarded regardless.

jk, I just think it's mean to use my own jokes against me in a non-joking format. :'(
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You're on probation, therefore anything you have to say is disregarded regardless.

jk, I just think it's mean to use my own jokes against me in a non-joking format. :'(
Does probation ever end? I've been on probation since the year 2015.


Anyway I believe there could be a heaven; however, there is no way that he'll isn't just a way to scare people straight.
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I don't understand, so you're saying the old testament is written that way because of human limits of that time?

Yes, and the people who created said religion probably didn't think about it as deeply as we are right now.
Right or wrong I guarantee they thought about it much more than we are in this 4 page thread
Are you talking about the Philosophers or believers (Christians/Jews)? If you're talking about the Philosophers, I wonder what they have to say about Deuteronomy 22:28-29 or Genesis 19:1-11?



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We always blame anyone else for our own problems; we never accept responsibility. Who is responsible for the death and suffering of the world? We are. We kill each other. We hurt each other. Then we have the audacity to blame God for not stopping us when we are the ones who decided we don't need Him

Look at the countless communities of people we continue to consistently condemn to poverty, to discrimination, to thieves, to rapists, to murderers, to corrupt police officers, to biased medias, to corrupt governments, to military air strikes, to terrorist bombings, to genocides...

Look at how we are destroying the planet's environment and how we have caused many animals to become endangered or extinct.

We are only "good" when it suits our own selfish desires. We are nice only to those who are nice to us. We don't break the law when we don't want to be caught. We keep the law only when it helps us indulge our comfortable manner of living.

Anyone who claims mankind is good refuses to see what we really are, to see the vile horrors being committed every day.
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We always blame anyone else for our own problems; we never accept responsibility. Who is responsible for the death and suffering of the world? We are. We kill each other. We hurt each other. Then we have the audacity to blame God for not stopping us when we are the ones who decided we don't need Him

Look at the countless communities of people we continue to consistently condemn to poverty, to discrimination, to thieves, to rapists, to murderers, to corrupt police officers, to biased medias, to corrupt governments, to military air strikes, to terrorist bombings, to genocides...

Look at how we are destroying the planet's environment and how we have caused many animals to become endangered or extinct.

We are only "good" when it suits our own selfish desires. We are nice only to those who are nice to us. We don't break the law when we don't want to be caught. We keep the law only when it helps us indulge our comfortable manner of living.

Anyone who claims mankind is good refuses to see what we really are, to see the vile horrors being committed every day.
Not true for everyone though and we're not at fault for things beyond our control like disease, so God is still an a*****.


At least we can never claim to be perfect, God however has many questions to answer but would most likely be too cowardly to do so.
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We always blame anyone else for our own problems; we never accept responsibility. Who is responsible for the death and suffering of the world? We are. We kill each other. We hurt each other. Then we have the audacity to blame God for not stopping us when we are the ones who decided we don't need Him

Look at the countless communities of people we continue to consistently condemn to poverty, to discrimination, to thieves, to rapists, to murderers, to corrupt police officers, to biased medias, to corrupt governments, to military air strikes, to terrorist bombings, to genocides...

Look at how we are destroying the planet's environment and how we have caused many animals to become endangered or extinct.

We are only "good" when it suits our own selfish desires. We are nice only to those who are nice to us. We don't break the law when we don't want to be caught. We keep the law only when it helps us indulge our comfortable manner of living.

Anyone who claims mankind is good refuses to see what we really are, to see the vile horrors being committed every day.
Not true for everyone though and we're not at fault for things beyond our control like disease, so God is still an a*****.


At least we can never claim to be perfect, God however has many questions to answer but would most likely be too cowardly to do so.
God only allows disease to occur; he does not inflict it on the innocent. You act as though we are entitled to God's assistance. We need to prove ourselves to God, not the other way around. Do not blame God, who sent His own Son to save you. Blame the devil, who uses every means he can to perpetuate violence and disease to destroy you.

Job 2:3-7 "And the Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? He still holds fast his integrity, although you incited me against him to destroy him without reason.' Then Satan answered the Lord and said, 'Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life. But stretch out your hand and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse you to your face.' And the Lord said to Satan, 'Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life.' So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and struck Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head."

John 9:1-3 "As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him."

Matthew 12:22" Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. "
Edited by SuperSaiyan1993, Sep 23 2016, 12:41 AM.
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God only allows disease to occur; he does not inflict it on the innocent.


How is a baby born with a few days to live due to a horrendous and incurable disease not innocent?

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You act as though we are entitled to God's assistance.


If we're not entitled to assistance then we're just subjected to God's cruelty for no reason then, God is an a*****.

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We need to prove ourselves to God, not the other way around. Do not blame God, who sent His own Son to save you.


Why prove ourselves to a being that would create a world with so much needless suffering? Aside from give us life what has God done for us?
To be happy in the face of God is to be ignorant of all the evil it has created.

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Blame the devil, who uses every means he can to perpetuate violence and disease to destroy you.


The devil God created with the capacity to do such things, the devil God should have known would do such things.

The devil who's kill count is still vastly inferior to the apparent benevolent God.


By the standards placed on us by God itself, God is not a good entity at all. It doesn't get to say Satan is the bad one with all the messed up things it has done.
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This world is full of suffering because of us, not God that's the point. God didn't make us do any of this. He's not forcing you to go out and eat a Big Mac

Nobody forces you treat your body like s***. A lot of diseases and even cancer is because people choose to be so unhealthy and not treat their body like a temple like God tells us to. Your health choices effects your children but we're too selfish to consider that so you go and make yourself feel good by smoking, drinking, going drugs, and eating crap

God even tells us that these things will exist. It's up to us to make our best effort to fight it. But we don't so now heart disease is the leading killer in the U.S because of rising obesity. And then we ask "God why are you doing this to us?! You're an a*****! It's you're fault I'm fat and killing myself!" Does that make sense?

The devil is the evil the we have a choice to go towards or away from

Idk what you mean about the kill count you're talking about though
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