How do Christians respond to this?

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How do Christians respond to this?
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 28 2016, 11:30 PM Post #46
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Wagwan Aug 28 2016, 08:04 PM ofg why are arguing with the axioms on which the idea of heaven is supported its like saying 'I only want to suffer if get to enjoy it and its a blast' but then its not suffering so how can that be I don't know what point of mine you are referring to, so it's kind of hard for me to respond.



+ Steve	Aug 29 2016, 01:18 AM Post #47
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Political Piper Aug 28 2016, 10:37 PM Now in response to the video, you could also argue that all the evil happening in the world isn't caused by God but by man. God gave man freewill so all the evil that occurs through the evil if men's hearts. Not saying that is my belief, but that is an argument But that doesn't make any sense because why are the innocent punished for the evil in other peoples hearts? The only way that can really work is if reincarnation is a thing, meaning that any child that gets bone cancer or whatever is a reincarnation of someone that deserved it. Even so reincarnation is a new start, past sins shouldn't really count so that's still iffy as an explanation. If God has the ability to inflict horrendous ailments on anyone then why not directly the evil people in the world that deserve it? Children die from leukaemia every single day and yet there statistically speaking quite a few serial killers walking around right now. If this is how God has organized it...then God is stupid. Powerful, undoubtedly so but stupid and vile. There's no real justification for these things, would the child do something horrible in it's future, explaining God punishing it? Perhaps but again many evil people are walking the Earth right now.
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Wagwan	Aug 29 2016, 07:41 AM Post #48
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	OFG Aug 28 2016, 11:30 PM Wagwan Aug 28 2016, 08:04 PM ofg why are arguing with the axioms on which the idea of heaven is supported its like saying 'I only want to suffer if get to enjoy it and its a blast' but then its not suffering so how can that be I don't know what point of mine you are referring to, so it's kind of hard for me to respond. the ones where you say you wouldnt be happy in heaven for it to be heaven that you're in, you necessarily have to be happy the idea that any heaven-promising religion campaigns is that nothing in your earth life can even touch how pleased you would be in heaven, so you might as well trade your measly earth life for eternal happiness you can totally disbelieve all day that theres no eternal happiness waiting for you, but that is the exchange they're proposing which is incontrovertible



+ Pointer	Aug 29 2016, 08:37 AM Post #49
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	OFG Aug 27 2016, 04:10 PM Because people keep talking about original sin: https://youtu.be/A_a6RjR_AHY God did it. what if he was meant to say ...death by old age. Death by accidents or by nature... are quite different. Edited by Pointer, Aug 29 2016, 08:38 AM.



Zoom	Aug 29 2016, 09:01 AM Post #50
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Donald Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xzxf-K7rPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE8CttyA184 Do you think he is smart? hehehe... sounds like an idiot to me



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 31 2016, 04:10 PM Post #51
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: the ones where you say you wouldnt be happy in heaven for it to be heaven that you're in, you necessarily have to be happy And I countered that idea by saying that--by my own human perception of happiness--I would have to be brain-washed to be happy in heaven and/or transformed into an entirely different entity.



Ding	Aug 31 2016, 04:14 PM Post #52
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	OFG Aug 31 2016, 04:10 PM Quote: the ones where you say you wouldnt be happy in heaven for it to be heaven that you're in, you necessarily have to be happy And I countered that idea by saying that--by my own human perception of happiness--I would have to be brain-washed to be happy in heaven and/or transformed into an entirely different entity. Imagined heaven as a place where we all have the perfect levels of dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin and endorphins. Edited by Ding, Aug 31 2016, 04:15 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 31 2016, 04:19 PM Post #53
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I imagine heaven as a place where I'm too doped up to care that my friends, family, and all self-worth that I ever had is gone.



Ding	Aug 31 2016, 04:21 PM Post #54
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	OFG Aug 31 2016, 04:19 PM I imagine heaven as a place where I'm too doped up to care that my friends, family, and all self-worth that I ever had is gone. Give it a chance. This is how I imagined it Edited by Ding, Aug 31 2016, 04:22 PM.
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~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 31 2016, 04:28 PM Post #55
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	I'm not a Christian nor do I believe in what they tell you in other religions of Jewish descent, but this is my favorite quote regarding heaven. "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." - Will Rogers



Political Piper	Sep 1 2016, 01:54 AM Post #56
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Steve Aug 29 2016, 01:18 AM Political Piper Aug 28 2016, 10:37 PM Now in response to the video, you could also argue that all the evil happening in the world isn't caused by God but by man. God gave man freewill so all the evil that occurs through the evil if men's hearts. Not saying that is my belief, but that is an argument But that doesn't make any sense because why are the innocent punished for the evil in other peoples hearts? The only way that can really work is if reincarnation is a thing, meaning that any child that gets bone cancer or whatever is a reincarnation of someone that deserved it. Even so reincarnation is a new start, past sins shouldn't really count so that's still iffy as an explanation. If God has the ability to inflict horrendous ailments on anyone then why not directly the evil people in the world that deserve it? Children die from leukaemia every single day and yet there statistically speaking quite a few serial killers walking around right now. If this is how God has organized it...then God is stupid. Powerful, undoubtedly so but stupid and vile. There's no real justification for these things, would the child do something horrible in it's future, explaining God punishing it? Perhaps but again many evil people are walking the Earth right now. True. But trying to understand God and Heaven is like trying to teach theoretical physics to an ant. We are intelligent beings, but if God exists, are we really arrogant enough to believe we understand his reasons or the Universe that he created? We have evolved into intelligent beings, but we are only 2000 years old. Imagine what we would be doing if we were 4000 years old. Now, why am I saying this? Because if we compare how much we progressed with technology just in our lifetimes, imagine how transcendental God would be.. and imagine trying to understand his motives As for re-incarnation, this is really interesting.
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Zoom	Sep 1 2016, 07:18 AM Post #57
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Political Piper Sep 1 2016, 01:54 AM Steve Aug 29 2016, 01:18 AM Political Piper Aug 28 2016, 10:37 PM Now in response to the video, you could also argue that all the evil happening in the world isn't caused by God but by man. God gave man freewill so all the evil that occurs through the evil if men's hearts. Not saying that is my belief, but that is an argument But that doesn't make any sense because why are the innocent punished for the evil in other peoples hearts? The only way that can really work is if reincarnation is a thing, meaning that any child that gets bone cancer or whatever is a reincarnation of someone that deserved it. Even so reincarnation is a new start, past sins shouldn't really count so that's still iffy as an explanation. If God has the ability to inflict horrendous ailments on anyone then why not directly the evil people in the world that deserve it? Children die from leukaemia every single day and yet there statistically speaking quite a few serial killers walking around right now. If this is how God has organized it...then God is stupid. Powerful, undoubtedly so but stupid and vile. There's no real justification for these things, would the child do something horrible in it's future, explaining God punishing it? Perhaps but again many evil people are walking the Earth right now. True. But trying to understand God and Heaven is like trying to teach theoretical physics to an ant. We are intelligent beings, but if God exists, are we really arrogant enough to believe we understand his reasons or the Universe that he created? We have evolved into intelligent beings, but we are only 2000 years old. Imagine what we would be doing if we were 4000 years old. Now, why am I saying this? Because if we compare how much we progressed with technology just in our lifetimes, imagine how transcendental God would be.. and imagine trying to understand his motives As for re-incarnation, this is really interesting. I don't understand, so you're saying the old testament is written that way because of human limits of that time?



breaker335	Sep 1 2016, 09:37 AM Post #58
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Like I said before, I always thought Futurama had the best interpretation of god.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 1 2016, 01:33 PM Post #59
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: I don't understand, so you're saying the old testament is written that way because of human limits of that time? Yes, and the people who created said religion probably didn't think about it as deeply as we are right now. "We can never understand God or his reasoning" is a cop-out answer that can work for any argument that becomes too deep or thought-provoking because the men who jotted down the myths of this religion didn't think about that--it was simply a way for them to attempt to explain what they couldn't explain (i.e. the creation of the universe and everything in it, as well as "what happens after we die?"). This person (or persons) probably didn't just sit down with a pen and paper and say, "You know what? We don't know how the universe was created, where we came from, or where we go when we die, so I'm going to write a book about it and sell millions." More likely, it was a compilation of creation myths that had been passed down for generations that a group of people finally put together and fine-tuned, much like every other mythological text that we have today.



Ding	Sep 1 2016, 07:55 PM Post #60
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	OFG Sep 1 2016, 01:33 PM Quote: I don't understand, so you're saying the old testament is written that way because of human limits of that time? Yes, and the people who created said religion probably didn't think about it as deeply as we are right now. Right or wrong I guarantee they thought about it much more than we are in this 4 page thread Edited by Ding, Sep 1 2016, 07:57 PM.
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