How do Christians respond to this?

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How do Christians respond to this?
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+ Steve	Aug 27 2016, 11:12 PM Post #31
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Is there even much call for Hell being all that bad a place? Realistically speaking, it's Satan's domain and if everyone who doesn't follow God's ideology goes there...why would Satan punish them? Surely he would only punish people who commit acts he himself deems horrible. Most likely there's two Hell's and one is probably better than Heaven, the other Hell being a true Hell where child molesters and serial killers etc etc are punished for what Satan deems crimes. Hell is probably a place of true freedom, within reason. Heaven is basically a prison or a military camp with it's set rules. Would you even be able to make love to your partner in Heaven? What a dull place. Also I don't understand why we should be expected to worship God when Earth isn't that fantastic a place, surely life and by extension the world should be something we should universally be thankful for? Again the bone cancer and parasitic insects, among other things. Earth is a pretty hellish place sometimes. And most of us here are speaking from a first world perspective, what does some starving, diseased child in Africa have to be thankful for? "Thank you for providing me with water that made me defecate my organs out until I died, thanks so much" They should go to hell because they didn't worship or believe in a God that put them in some craphole like that? It's easy to think we should be thankful when most of us live comfortable lives
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Tinny	Aug 27 2016, 11:15 PM Post #32
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Isn't Satan also trapped in hell? And also really damn spiteful? There's also various levels of heaven, being a good person and but not being a christian would put you into the lower levels of heaven. Not horrible but not as great as it could get. That's Mormon teachings anyway in my experience. Edited by Tinny, Aug 27 2016, 11:16 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 11:28 PM Post #33
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	If heaven and hell were real places, it would make a lot more sense if there will levels, but most Christians don't recognize that. The top level would be for amazing, loving people who also "loved God." The next level would be for great people who maybe didn't worship God, and so on and so forth. The bible never outright states that hell is a place of eternal fire and suffering, yet many Christians preach that as a scare tactic. If hell really does mean burning forever, I don't think that anyone really deserves that. Only the absolute worst people on the planet should suffer.



+ Son-Goku	Aug 27 2016, 11:30 PM Post #34
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	OFG Aug 27 2016, 11:28 PM I don't think that anyone really deserves that. Only the absolute worst people on the planet should suffer. What, you're saying two opposite things which is it? Edit: Why do you think only the worst people should suffer? You can't be only a good person to get into heaven. Edited by Son-Goku, Aug 27 2016, 11:34 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 11:38 PM Post #35
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I don't think you're understanding any of my points.



Dankness Lava	Aug 27 2016, 11:50 PM Post #36
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	OFG Aug 27 2016, 11:28 PM The bible never outright states that hell is a place of eternal fire and suffering, yet many Christians preach that as a scare tactic. If hell really does mean burning forever, I don't think that anyone really deserves that. Only the absolute worst people on the planet should suffer. I've been saying this for a while lol. Well, actually God is the lake of fire and only Satan and his angels burn eternally. Everyone else is just cast into the fire.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 11:57 PM Post #37
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	They're "cast into the fire." Okay.



+ Sandy Shore	Aug 28 2016, 12:09 AM Post #38
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Weeping and gnashing of teeth? Everlasting destruction? Serve as an example in the punishment of eternal fire? There's plenty of passages that give the idea it's a place of everlasting torment, and I went over this with you in one of our first exchanges here. If the search function were working I'd show you more specifically. Oh well. Stephen Fry isn't saying anything novel in that video, but he's not wrong. And yes, Heaven sounds absolutely awful.



Zoom	Aug 28 2016, 02:26 AM Post #39
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	lazerbem Aug 27 2016, 02:03 AM I would argue that the pain and injustice in the world is a result of Satan's influence, kind of a balancing act until Judgement Day and trumpets sound that there's no more influence of evil. After all, Satan was the one who brought forth the original sin, why not other suffering as well? Also, testing people, that too(though I feel that one is a bit of a cop-out at points). Isaiah 45:7 and Job 1:12 and Acts 14: 22 says otherwise. I don't think anyone truly knows Gods will and why he/her allowed Satan to test us. Different churches have different explanations based on their interpretation of the bible; Catholic Church: Says God is all loving and all good, but the devil is the blame for all the evil and suffering. The Roman Catholic church teaches our sins originated from Adam & Eve. WMSCOG (World Mission Society Church of God): Believe that we (humans) sinned in heaven eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil and joined Lucifer (Satan) to overtake God. WMSCOG teaches our sins originated from heaven and we're punish because of disobedience and trying to overtake God. I don't know about other churches but it makes you wonder if earth is our prison and we should repent and change your old ways, but why would God allow babies to die without receiving a birth certificate (15,000 babies die each year without receiving a birth cert), and why allow around 2.5 million babies die in a year due to other causes if we are all meant to repent? Anyway, Watcha think about Steven Collins? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO8t-jDrF7E Like or dislike?



DanielSan	Aug 28 2016, 07:36 PM Post #40
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	As a religiously indifferent or unknown person I will say that I am basically done with Abrahamic Religion for now. I am just going to live life for now. The Mormon missionaries that visited me was a good wake up called. After investigating the Church and finding holes and lies in their doctrine I started to really question all religions in general. If some 14 year old kid was false on this then other religious doctrine could be the same. As a person the grew up as a Christian I always asked questions about certain things. Even as a grade school kid I questions the beginning of the universe as a book said that Big Bang created the universe yet the bible said God did. As I got older the main question and evidence, in my opinion, against the bible is the question of good and evil. If God is all good then why does evil exist? He is not all powerful if he allows evil but is all good. If god is all powerful then evil shouldn't exist if he was also all good. The only way out of this predicament is if God from the doctrine is hiding stuff from us, like his true purpose. He basically created this world as a test of how man can develop itself and he allowed for the Torah, the Bible, and for the Koran to be written as a test. If we were to blindly follow the word of God yet listen to the horrid stuff in those books like the sacrificing, the slavery, and all the other stuff then we have failed as a person. Now before anyone replies I will say this is likely not accurate or true at all about how the Earth and Universe is. This is just a thought I had a few times. I am still asking questions and just learning in general. I don't belong to any religion or have any strong opinions about God or a lack of God as of this moment. That last part was just a thought.



Wagwan	Aug 28 2016, 08:04 PM Post #41
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	ofg why are arguing with the axioms on which the idea of heaven is supported its like saying 'I only want to suffer if get to enjoy it and its a blast' but then its not suffering so how can that be



+ Ginyu	Aug 28 2016, 10:13 PM Post #42
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Christians respond to this with a cop-out. "God defies logic." "God works in mysterious ways." "You can't understand God." Usually they're worded better, but that's what the responses come down to. Edited by Ginyu, Aug 28 2016, 10:20 PM.
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+ Son-Goku	Aug 28 2016, 10:16 PM Post #43
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	GinyuTokusentai Aug 28 2016, 10:13 PM Christians respond to this with a cop-out. "God defies logic." "God workes in mysterious ways." "You can't understand God." Usually they're worded better, but that's what the responses come down to. What other way is there to explain it though really?
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+ Ginyu	Aug 28 2016, 10:19 PM Post #44
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	Son Goten Aug 28 2016, 10:16 PM GinyuTokusentai Aug 28 2016, 10:13 PM Christians respond to this with a cop-out. "God defies logic." "God workes in mysterious ways." "You can't understand God." Usually they're worded better, but that's what the responses come down to. What other way is there to explain it though really? There is none, hence the point of the thread. If you can't respond to an argument without a cop-out then the argument is strong and solid. +1 for Stephen Fry.
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Political Piper	Aug 28 2016, 10:37 PM Post #45
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