How do Christians respond to this?

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How do Christians respond to this?
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 05:51 PM Post #16
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	lazerbem Aug 27 2016, 04:55 PM OFG Aug 27 2016, 04:36 PM Because based on the story laid out in Genesis, God could have very easily stopped the temptation from occurring. He did everything on purpose knowing full well what the result would be. If God already knows what's going to happen, there's really no "test " to begin with; it's just a game to him. God created a world in which humans pretty much HAD to eat the fruit. Why did he create us to begin with if he knew all of this from the start? Why would he create a world and people knowing full well that it would all suffer? Well for one thing, at least in Catholic doctrine, Genesis isn't always meant to be literal. And another thing is that while God may be all seeing and all powerful, Satan is close in power enough to be a rival. That being the case, I do not see why there cannot be a case of the Devil interfering with God. You could argue why bother creating the Devil then, but if the Devil already exists via knowing the future, then not creating the Devil would be a paradox. A pattern and plan from the beginning would be changed with certain events, and therefore said plan would go differently. Also, Heaven is a pretty nice reward for those who do suffer. "Heaven is a nice reward for those who do suffer," so let's let innocent men, women, and children suffer while the bad guys live the best possible lives. Bcuz that makes total sense. It just doesn't make sense. Plain and simple. There's no point arguing it. If you want to believe it, that's fine, but at least give us that much.



Dankness Lava	Aug 27 2016, 06:43 PM Post #17
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	From what I understand, God doesn't "allow" horror to strike, he makes it happen. These disasters and wars are prophesied in the Bible. The disasters are judgements and the wars are the "beasts" mentioned in Revelation; hence the name Revelation. Edited by Dankness Lava, Aug 27 2016, 06:44 PM.



Wagwan	Aug 27 2016, 06:44 PM Post #18
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	uhh ofg I think you're overlooking the diminishing return when you consider the length of a life vs the length of eternity



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 08:04 PM Post #19
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Wagwan Aug 27 2016, 06:44 PM uhh ofg I think you're overlooking the diminishing return when you consider the length of a life vs the length of eternity Not really. Heaven would be boring as hell, and pointless.



+ Son-Goku	Aug 27 2016, 08:06 PM Post #20
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	OFG Aug 27 2016, 08:04 PM Wagwan Aug 27 2016, 06:44 PM uhh ofg I think you're overlooking the diminishing return when you consider the length of a life vs the length of eternity Not really. Heaven would be boring as hell, and pointless. I'd rather be bored for an eternity than suffer pain for an eternity.
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Dankness Lava	Aug 27 2016, 08:23 PM Post #21
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	If hell is already the lake of fire then how does it get tossed into the lake of fire



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 08:38 PM Post #22
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Son Goten Aug 27 2016, 08:06 PM OFG Aug 27 2016, 08:04 PM Wagwan Aug 27 2016, 06:44 PM uhh ofg I think you're overlooking the diminishing return when you consider the length of a life vs the length of eternity Not really. Heaven would be boring as hell, and pointless. I'd rather be bored for an eternity than suffer pain for an eternity. I wouldn't want to live for eternity knowing that the majority of my family and friends were in suffering. Literally billions of innocent people suffering because some maniac wasn't fully satisfied with them. I don't want to spend eternity worshiping some douchebag who created us and then left us all to suffer and destroy one another.



Wagwan	Aug 27 2016, 08:40 PM Post #23
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	by definition heaven is the greatest thing you can ever imagine so thats not true



* Yu Narukami	Aug 27 2016, 09:11 PM Post #24
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Wagwan Aug 27 2016, 08:40 PM by definition heaven is the greatest thing you can ever imagine so thats not true Wouldn't Heaven be what God's idea of perfect is? If he expects us to live by the guidelines he set out in order to be moral, good people, wouldn't his idea of Heaven largely be the same as what a Christian life would be like on Earth? Well, unless the whole idea is ''live life on Earth in this strict way and then spend eternity doing whatever you want in Heaven''. Regarding that, is there any kind of scripture of what one would have to do to be ejected from Heaven?



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 09:28 PM Post #25
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Wagwan Aug 27 2016, 08:40 PM by definition heaven is the greatest thing you can ever imagine so thats not true The greatest thing I could ever imagine is being rich, living in a nice house, and having the best job, happiest life, and happiest family. None of that would exist in God's idea of heaven; therefore, you're wrong.



Dankness Lava	Aug 27 2016, 10:31 PM Post #26
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	OFG Aug 27 2016, 09:28 PM Wagwan Aug 27 2016, 08:40 PM by definition heaven is the greatest thing you can ever imagine so thats not true The greatest thing I could ever imagine is being rich, living in a nice house, and having the best job, happiest life, and happiest family. None of that would exist in God's idea of heaven; therefore, you're wrong. When one makes it to heaven, all worldly desires go away.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 10:41 PM Post #27
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Then I wouldn't be happy. Unless I became a completely different being, that doesn't make sense, and it's also scary to think that a god would turn his creations into something entirely different once they died and force them to live out their eternal lives in some brain-washed catatonic state. Are you guys not seeing that this literally makes no sense?



* Ketchup Revenge	Aug 27 2016, 10:45 PM Post #28
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Stephen Fry makes a valid point in this vid. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson uses this reasoning as well in one of the videos where I heard him speak. The real confusing thing to me is that people say that God is all loving and all powerful; and he created the universe. However, they fail to address that by extension, this creation includes Satan and Hell. If these atrocities are the workings of Satan, the only reasonable concept is that God himself is directly responsible for Satan and everything that he creates. People argue that Satan was created to be the adversary of humans, which isn't true because according to Christian doctrine, Satan was originally created as a servant of God. He became jealous of humans, and God banished him to Hell... where he sends humans as well who don't worship him? Eye-eating worms and bone cancer in children are ultimately God's doing. Which is why I don't believe in God, or at least not the Judeo-Christian version of God. Which means that God is either all powerful or all loving. There's no possible way he could be both.
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


Dankness Lava	Aug 27 2016, 10:48 PM Post #29
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	You would become different. That's where being born again comes in to play: Realizing that what the world has to offer doesn't compare to a lifetime of peace. Otherwise you will just go to the grave if you don't believe. But even those who believe and don't show love nor show others how to do it still make it to heaven. Only nonbelievers perish.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 10:50 PM Post #30
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: But even those who believe and don't show love nor show others how to do it still make it to heaven. Only nonbelievers perish. So no matter what type of person you are, as long as you believe in some fairy in the sky you make it into heaven while everyone else, regardless of how loving and good they are, perish. Yeah, that's the dumbest thing I've heard. I think I'm going to bow out of this ridiculous thread.



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