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How do Christians respond to this?
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+ Steve	Aug 27 2016, 01:04 AM Post #1
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I'm not sure how anyone could really come back to that with anything other than a "The Lord wants what the Lord wants" sort of cop out.
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+ Emmeth	Aug 27 2016, 01:09 AM Post #2
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lazerbem	Aug 27 2016, 02:03 AM Post #3
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	I would argue that the pain and injustice in the world is a result of Satan's influence, kind of a balancing act until Judgement Day and trumpets sound that there's no more influence of evil. After all, Satan was the one who brought forth the original sin, why not other suffering as well? Also, testing people, that too(though I feel that one is a bit of a cop-out at points). Edited by lazerbem, Aug 27 2016, 02:03 AM.
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+ Steve	Aug 27 2016, 02:30 AM Post #4
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	But as outlined in the video, children? The idea of testing people doesn't really hold up when people who have no way of being aware of certain things are "punished" for no reason. Even if you're in a devout Christian family your children could still be born with horrendous life threatening deformities. Maybe someone in such a family 100 years ago committed a sin but for a child to pay for it? That's ridiculous and pathetic on God's part. I don't agree with God punishing people or allowing people to be punished for the original sin, considering Eve didn't even know what the concept of right and wrong was until she ate from the tree of knowledge. That's like grounding a baby for urinating in it's diaper, what sort of madman would find that acceptable?
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Aug 27 2016, 02:36 AM Post #5
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	It's just the classic "why does God allow suffering if he's all loving?" question Idk what an expert would say but imo suffering exists in the world because of free will. Humans have the ability to do great things. We have a choice between good and evil. God isn't forcing you to do anything bad I think allowing suffering is all part of his plan for us to see the difference between good and evil. God did create a perfect world at first but that was ruined for us when the original sin(disobeying God) happened. Why? I guess because in a perfect world, where there is no good vs evil, we wouldn't be able to experience this. Why did he make a plan like this? Idk. What's his entire plan? Idk. But do you always know why exactly your parents tell you things? No. But you trust them because they're your parents. You also have the free will to rebel against them and learn from it. And they will(or should at least) forgive you because of their unconditional love Just my thoughts and opinion atm
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lazerbem	Aug 27 2016, 02:38 AM Post #6
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	I already said the testing people thing is a cop-out, I prefer the Satan cause explanation most of the time. I also think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that all the bad stuff is due to the original sin, I'm saying that the original sin is just an example of the evil crap Satan gets up to. In your example, the deformed kid would be an example of the Devil's work, we know that Satan is powerful enough to at least stand up to God a little, otherwise Revelations would be over in a flash. Therefore, wickedness being present in the world is nothing strange. It's just part of that rivalry.
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+ Steve	Aug 27 2016, 03:00 AM Post #7
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	lazerbem Aug 27 2016, 02:38 AM In your example, the deformed kid would be an example of the Devil's work, we know that Satan is powerful enough to at least stand up to God a little, otherwise Revelations would be over in a flash. Therefore, wickedness being present in the world is nothing strange. It's just part of that rivalry. But it was never part of Satan's whole ideal to kill us or anything and he shouldn't have any power over the world that God can't just reverse. Satan gave us free will, why would he also create terrible things to ruin the lives of many without reason? Considering the actions of Satan within the Bible, I'd also call that one a cop-out as is generally the idea of Satan being some supreme evil being. In the Bible he kills a grand total of like 6 people whereas God kills countless but remains the good guy because he's God. Quote: It's just the classic "why does God allow suffering if he's all loving?" question I view it as more of a "Why on Earth should we worship this thing?" question. Even if God is real what reason is there to respect it's decision to create such horrible creatures?
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lazerbem	Aug 27 2016, 04:00 AM Post #8
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Quote: But it was never part of Satan's whole ideal to kill us or anything and he shouldn't have any power over the world that God can't just reverse. Satan's whole thing is proving he's better than humans because of a grudge match. While God can reverse what Satan does, Satan is on similar footing. Similar enough to be a close rival and thus get through the net. Quote: Satan gave us free will, why would he also create terrible things to ruin the lives of many without reason? The free will wasn't an act of benevolence, it was just a middle finger to God because he was butthurt over the humans getting too much attention. Incidentally, the humans had free will to begin with. All the fruit did was make them lose innocence. There's a difference. Quote: Considering the actions of Satan within the Bible, I'd also call that one a cop-out as is generally the idea of Satan being some supreme evil being. I'd argue that kicking humans out of paradise by making them capable of evil is pretty bad Quote: In the Bible he kills a grand total of like 6 people whereas God kills countless but remains the good guy because he's God. You haven't read Revelations, have you? That's the one where Satan goes on the warpath and takes over the world and forces everyone to bend the knee. All the while ripping the land apart and brutally slaughtering any dissenters. Sure, that's prophecy, but Satan is an evil lord in every way basically.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 04:10 PM Post #9
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Because people keep talking about original sin: https://youtu.be/A_a6RjR_AHY God did it.



lazerbem	Aug 27 2016, 04:27 PM Post #10
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	OFG Aug 27 2016, 04:10 PM Because people keep talking about original sin: https://youtu.be/A_a6RjR_AHY God did it. What, the part about the tree being there to begin with? Why would the tree being there be a problem? It wasn't until the devil tempted them, it was just another tree that happened to be there. I suppose one could say that the tree doesn't need to exist, but technically nothing needs to exist either. It would have been no different if the tree was poisonous. Not to mention that Genesis as a whole is pretty much allegorical and based on understanding from ancient peoples Edited by lazerbem, Aug 27 2016, 04:27 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 27 2016, 04:36 PM Post #11
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Because based on the story laid out in Genesis, God could have very easily stopped the temptation from occurring. He did everything on purpose knowing full well what the result would be. If God already knows what's going to happen, there's really no "test " to begin with; it's just a game to him. God created a world in which humans pretty much HAD to eat the fruit. Why did he create us to begin with if he knew all of this from the start? Why would he create a world and people knowing full well that it would all suffer? Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 27 2016, 04:37 PM.



lazerbem	Aug 27 2016, 04:55 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	OFG Aug 27 2016, 04:36 PM Because based on the story laid out in Genesis, God could have very easily stopped the temptation from occurring. He did everything on purpose knowing full well what the result would be. If God already knows what's going to happen, there's really no "test " to begin with; it's just a game to him. God created a world in which humans pretty much HAD to eat the fruit. Why did he create us to begin with if he knew all of this from the start? Why would he create a world and people knowing full well that it would all suffer? Well for one thing, at least in Catholic doctrine, Genesis isn't always meant to be literal. And another thing is that while God may be all seeing and all powerful, Satan is close in power enough to be a rival. That being the case, I do not see why there cannot be a case of the Devil interfering with God. You could argue why bother creating the Devil then, but if the Devil already exists via knowing the future, then not creating the Devil would be a paradox. A pattern and plan from the beginning would be changed with certain events, and therefore said plan would go differently. Also, Heaven is a pretty nice reward for those who do suffer.
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Wagwan	Aug 27 2016, 05:18 PM Post #13
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	idk seems like just everything has an equal-but-opposite form of symmetry to it, and goodness should be no exception because what is goodness without suffering to compare it to?



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 27 2016, 05:24 PM Post #14
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	lazerbem Aug 27 2016, 04:55 PM OFG Aug 27 2016, 04:36 PM Because based on the story laid out in Genesis, God could have very easily stopped the temptation from occurring. He did everything on purpose knowing full well what the result would be. If God already knows what's going to happen, there's really no "test " to begin with; it's just a game to him. God created a world in which humans pretty much HAD to eat the fruit. Why did he create us to begin with if he knew all of this from the start? Why would he create a world and people knowing full well that it would all suffer? Well for one thing, at least in Catholic doctrine, Genesis isn't always meant to be literal. And another thing is that while God may be all seeing and all powerful, Satan is close in power enough to be a rival. That being the case, I do not see why there cannot be a case of the Devil interfering with God. You could argue why bother creating the Devil then, but if the Devil already exists via knowing the future, then not creating the Devil would be a paradox. A pattern and plan from the beginning would be changed with certain events, and therefore said plan would go differently. Also, Heaven is a pretty nice reward for those who do suffer. This is what I don't understand about Christianity. Your holy doctrine, something intended to guide you on how to live your life and something you're supposed to consider as if it was written by God itself is claimed by Christians that it shouldn't be taken literally. I guess if Christians took everything in their religion at face value we'd have another group like Muslims or Jews running around terrorizing the world, so that's not all bad.



+ Steve	Aug 27 2016, 05:45 PM Post #15
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Quote: Satan's whole thing is proving he's better than humans because of a grudge match. While God can reverse what Satan does, Satan is on similar footing. Similar enough to be a close rival and thus get through the net. But why would that mean he created diseases and such? He's better than us by way of being an arch angel did he not just want God to think of him as better? God also would have created Satan full well knowing what he would be, can Satan even be blamed for his actions? Quote: The free will wasn't an act of benevolence, it was just a middle finger to God because he was butthurt over the humans getting too much attention. Incidentally, the humans had free will to begin with. All the fruit did was make them lose innocence. There's a difference. It's still better than anything God has done for us aside from create us, God wanted us to be mindless thought slaves. Even though it wasn't out of kindness Satan still gave us free will and knowledge. There's a difference but God punished us for something that's literally not our fault, Eve had no way of knowing going against God's word was a bad thing. Quote: I'd argue that kicking humans out of paradise by making them capable of evil is pretty bad Debatable, Satan gave us the ability to choose our own path. God wanted us to do everything he wanted. He literally created beings to worship him, I'd say that's fairly despicable. Quote: You haven't read Revelations, have you? That's the one where Satan goes on the warpath and takes over the world and forces everyone to bend the knee. All the while ripping the land apart and brutally slaughtering any dissenters. Sure, that's prophecy, but Satan is an evil lord in every way basically. I see no reason why that's worse than God flooding the whole world on a whim. I'd rather pledge allegiance to Satan than just be killed while minding my own business, Satan made us what we are so as far as I'm concerned he deserves more respect than God. Especially since he stands up to the tyrant. In any case nothing has ever really hinted that Satan is the 'cause of all the badness in the world. In humans, perhaps but that doesn't explain diseases and such they don't exist because we're bad they exist because God created them. At the very least, considering it's a form of life, God created cancer. Perhaps God doesn't have to justify itself because it is God but it's actions are certainly questionable by standards imposed on us. Also damn, he didn't even marry Mary before knocking her up yo.
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