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Evolution
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 25 2016, 08:27 PM (4,234 Views)
~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 2 2016, 02:10 PM Post #46
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Shining Light Sep 2 2016, 01:57 PM Actually let me take a step back. Would you suggest that God can't have controlled the animals for example? If God is all-powerful, then sure, I guess, but it's still a cop-out answer for obvious reasons. And yes, I would probably make the argument that God isn't all-powerful due to a variety of reasons which have been discussed in other recent threads.



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 02:26 PM Post #47
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	OFG Sep 2 2016, 02:10 PM Shining Light Sep 2 2016, 01:57 PM Actually let me take a step back. Would you suggest that God can't have controlled the animals for example? If God is all-powerful, then sure, I guess, but it's still a cop-out answer for obvious reasons. And yes, I would probably make the argument that God isn't all-powerful due to a variety of reasons which have been discussed in other recent threads. Obvious reasons? Can you quickly expand because the reasons are not obvious to me. 1-God communicated with Noah and had him build an arc for himself and animals and it's not a cop-out. 2-God communicates with animals and it is a cop-out?
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~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Sep 2 2016, 02:48 PM Post #48
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	1- Voices in my head are always the voices of my gods, trust me my therapist said so 2- Dunno where the evidence that animals hear voices in their heads come from



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 02:54 PM Post #49
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	Jar-Jar Binks Sep 2 2016, 02:48 PM 1- Voices in my head are always the voices of my gods, trust me my therapist said so 2- Dunno where the evidence that animals hear voices in their heads come from ""Bring a pair of every kind of animal—a male and a female—into the boat with you to keep them alive during the flood. Pairs of every kind of bird, and every kind of animal, and every kind of small animal that scurries along the ground, will come to you to be kept alive." The animals came on their own so God must've been in their head.
	Dingo Dingo


~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Sep 2 2016, 02:56 PM Post #50
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	It's just evidence that extraterrestrials wanted to preserve the native species and used their advanced technology to make people think it was a decree by God.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 2 2016, 02:56 PM Post #51
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	So God used mind-control on the animals to make them behave, and he also used his mystical powers to turn the ark into some type of portal where the millions of species could somehow all fit inside? Hmmm... Cop-out. Because if he was going to go that far, he could have just killed everyone on the planet with the exception of Noah and his family in one fell swoop. Why make it into something so complicated and illogical?



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 02:58 PM Post #52
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	OFG Sep 2 2016, 02:56 PM So God used mind-control on the animals to make them behave, and he also used his mystical powers to turn the ark into some type of portal where the millions of species could somehow all fit inside? Hmmm... Cop-out. Because if he was going to go that far, he could have just killed everyone on the planet with the exception of Noah and his family in one fell swoop. Why make it into something so complicated and illogical? http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=11004031&t=10000125 You're just saying things like "mind-control" and "mystical powers" to make the whole thing seem stupid. Edited by Ding, Sep 2 2016, 02:59 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 2 2016, 02:59 PM Post #53
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Why would God directly interfere in affairs and make it so the humans were able to survive? I thought we had free will? Additionally, how was Noah able to fit all the animals inside the arc and the resources necessary to feed every living being on it long enough for the water to fall?



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 2 2016, 03:03 PM Post #54
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Ding Sep 2 2016, 02:58 PM OFG Sep 2 2016, 02:56 PM So God used mind-control on the animals to make them behave, and he also used his mystical powers to turn the ark into some type of portal where the millions of species could somehow all fit inside? Hmmm... Cop-out. Because if he was going to go that far, he could have just killed everyone on the planet with the exception of Noah and his family in one fell swoop. Why make it into something so complicated and illogical? http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=11004031&t=10000125 You're just saying things like "mind-control" and "mystical powers" to make the whole thing seem stupid. Because it is stupid. And in saying that I don't mean that Christianity as a whole is stupid, or that believing in a god is stupid, but that the arguments people make when faced with scientific facts and historical inaccuracies can get a little ridiculous.



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 03:04 PM Post #55
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	Nagito Komaeda Sep 2 2016, 02:59 PM Why would God directly interfere in affairs and make it so the humans were able to survive? I thought we had free will? Additionally, how was Noah able to fit all the animals inside the arc and the resources necessary to feed every living being on it long enough for the water to fall? God works in mysterious ways and idk I wasn't on the arc and I'm not some hardcore christian historian. I'll copy some stuff from a website tho "We must distinguish between the long-term care required for animals kept in zoos and the temporary, emergency care required on the Ark. The animals’ comfort and healthy appearance were not essential for emergency survival during one stressful year, where survival was the primary goal. Studies of nonmechanized animal care indicate that eight people could have fed and watered 16,000 creatures. The key is to avoid unnecessary walking around. As the old adage says, “Don’t work harder, work smarter. Therefore, Noah probably stored the food and water near each animal. Even better, drinking water could have been piped into troughs, just as the Chinese have used bamboo pipes for this purpose for thousands of years. The use of some sort of self-feeders, as is commonly done for birds, would have been relatively easy and probably essential. Animals that required special care or diets were uncommon and should not have needed an inordinate amount of time from the handlers. Even animals with the most specialized diets in nature could have been switched to readily sustainable substitute diets. Of course, this assumes that animals with specialized diets today were likewise specialized at the time of the Flood." https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/caring-for-the-animals-on-the-ark/ Edited by Ding, Sep 2 2016, 03:06 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 2 2016, 03:06 PM Post #56
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Come on, man. 'God works in mysterious ways' is the worst answer anyone could give. Yes, and what about the food necessary to take care of the animals? Was there a little greenhouse on the arc where they were able to grow enough food to feed themselves and all the animals without completely starving?



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 03:10 PM Post #57
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	OFG Sep 2 2016, 03:03 PM Ding Sep 2 2016, 02:58 PM OFG Sep 2 2016, 02:56 PM So God used mind-control on the animals to make them behave, and he also used his mystical powers to turn the ark into some type of portal where the millions of species could somehow all fit inside? Hmmm... Cop-out. Because if he was going to go that far, he could have just killed everyone on the planet with the exception of Noah and his family in one fell swoop. Why make it into something so complicated and illogical? http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=11004031&t=10000125 You're just saying things like "mind-control" and "mystical powers" to make the whole thing seem stupid. Because it is stupid. And in saying that I don't mean that Christianity as a whole is stupid, or that believing in a god is stupid, but that the arguments people make when faced with scientific facts and historical inaccuracies can get a little ridiculous. What's so stupid about it? If you take God out of the equation and view it strictly from a historical viewpoint: -An arc was built and some regional animals were loaded on. -There was a regional flood. -They survived. Edited by Ding, Sep 2 2016, 03:11 PM.
	Dingo Dingo


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 2 2016, 03:33 PM Post #58
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Nagito Komaeda Sep 2 2016, 03:06 PM Come on, man. 'God works in mysterious ways' is the worst answer anyone could give. Yes, and what about the food necessary to take care of the animals? Was there a little greenhouse on the arc where they were able to grow enough food to feed themselves and all the animals without completely starving? Not to mention that certain animals are carnivores, which would require taking more than two of each species of animal (some for breeding, some for food), yet the Bible says there were only two.



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 03:39 PM Post #59
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	OFG Sep 2 2016, 03:33 PM Nagito Komaeda Sep 2 2016, 03:06 PM Come on, man. 'God works in mysterious ways' is the worst answer anyone could give. Yes, and what about the food necessary to take care of the animals? Was there a little greenhouse on the arc where they were able to grow enough food to feed themselves and all the animals without completely starving? Not to mention that certain animals are carnivores, which would require taking more than two of each species of animal (some for breeding, some for food), yet the Bible says there were only two. Breeding took place on the arc and the food supplies were used for a couple of months after the flood. Not going to look it up but I'm pretty sure they used the arc as their HQ for a few months after the flood. Rabbits bred like rabbits and were hunted like rabbits. (Among other animals) Edited by Ding, Sep 2 2016, 03:44 PM.
	Dingo Dingo


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 2 2016, 03:50 PM Post #60
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	How do you know that's true?



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