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Evolution
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~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Sep 2 2016, 01:29 AM Post #31
What will you do when you get old? Posts: 1,096 Group: Suspended Member #12,915 Joined: February 8, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Don't actually watch anime What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Don't read manga	Shining Light Sep 2 2016, 12:51 AM Where does the Bible says heaven is in the sky? In it



Political Piper	Sep 2 2016, 01:30 AM Post #32
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Shining Light Sep 2 2016, 12:51 AM Where does the Bible says heaven is in the sky? I think it says it in Genesis: "God created the earth and the heavens above." Or something like that
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Dankness Lava	Sep 2 2016, 01:34 AM Post #33
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	@jarjar oh ok thanks @Political Piper "In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth." Edited by Dankness Lava, Sep 2 2016, 01:35 AM.



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 01:37 AM Post #34
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	I think of God as a video game dev and we're stuck in one of his more bring games. Edited by Ding, Sep 2 2016, 01:37 AM.
	Dingo Dingo


* Ketchup Revenge	Sep 2 2016, 01:43 AM Post #35
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Ding Sep 2 2016, 12:19 AM Ketchup Revenge Sep 1 2016, 10:19 PM They have a hard time accepting that their version of God is too small for the Universe as we know it now. An infinite God is too small? I don't understand. The most destructive force from the Biblical God that we see is a world-wide flood. There's beams of energy that exist in space that can literally tear apart entire galaxies; 99.9% of which is too far away from Earth to affect Humans or any of what is stated to be God's creations, so what is the purpose of these things existing? In addition to this, there's way more complicated processes happening in the Universe than on Earth, but God spent upwards of five days constructing the Earth and its immediate needs, but only one day was spent on the workings of the stars? How in the world does that make any sense? Christians, Muslims, and Jews, as well as other religions can't link the powers of the God they know to what we understand about the universe in modern age, so they inflate his power and influence, despite there being no evidence in the "Divine book" that says he's capable of doing those things. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Sep 2 2016, 01:44 AM.
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Ding	Sep 2 2016, 01:53 AM Post #36
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	Ketchup Revenge Sep 2 2016, 01:43 AM Ding Sep 2 2016, 12:19 AM Ketchup Revenge Sep 1 2016, 10:19 PM They have a hard time accepting that their version of God is too small for the Universe as we know it now. An infinite God is too small? I don't understand. The most destructive force from the Biblical God that we see is a world-wide flood. There's beams of energy that exist in space that can literally tear apart entire galaxies; 99.9% of which is too far away from Earth to affect Humans or any of what is stated to be God's creations, so what is the purpose of these things existing? In addition to this, there's way more complicated processes happening in the Universe than on Earth, but God spent upwards of five days constructing the Earth and its immediate needs, but only one day was spent on the workings of the stars? How in the world does that make any sense? Christians, Muslims, and Jews, as well as other religions can't link the powers of the God they know to what we understand about the universe in modern age, so they inflate his power and influence, despite there being no evidence in the "Divine book" that says he's capable of doing those things. A group of people experienced a terrible flood and dconcluded that it was a punishment from God. (Which is very well may have been) The bible is inspired by God and written down by man. Surely it's reasonable that some natural disasters end up in their text. Edited by Ding, Sep 2 2016, 02:00 AM.
	Dingo Dingo


Dankness Lava	Sep 2 2016, 02:05 AM Post #37
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Ketchup Revenge Sep 2 2016, 01:43 AM Ding Sep 2 2016, 12:19 AM Ketchup Revenge Sep 1 2016, 10:19 PM They have a hard time accepting that their version of God is too small for the Universe as we know it now. An infinite God is too small? I don't understand. The most destructive force from the Biblical God that we see is a world-wide flood. There's beams of energy that exist in space that can literally tear apart entire galaxies; 99.9% of which is too far away from Earth to affect Humans or any of what is stated to be God's creations, so what is the purpose of these things existing? In addition to this, there's way more complicated processes happening in the Universe than on Earth, but God spent upwards of five days constructing the Earth and its immediate needs, but only one day was spent on the workings of the stars? How in the world does that make any sense? Christians, Muslims, and Jews, as well as other religions can't link the powers of the God they know to what we understand about the universe in modern age, so they inflate his power and influence, despite there being no evidence in the "Divine book" that says he's capable of doing those things. You're making a claim that God isn't that powerful because he hasn't shown great destructive abilities? Do you see what you're begging there?



+ Sandy Shore	Sep 2 2016, 02:40 AM Post #38
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	Ding A group of israelites experienced a terrible flood and determined that it was a punishment from God. (Which is very well may have been) No, they simply "reimagined" a very common-known, far more ancient story that had been retold numerous times in the area, involving plenty of other gods. It can be found in the Eridu Genesis, the Epic of Gilgamesh, and some story about a guy called Atrahasis, all with the rain lasting X amount of days and nights; some large boat; and sacrifices being made after the event. One of the stories—Gilgamesh, I think—even has the protagonist ordered to board all the animals, and—stop me if you've heard this one before—releases multiple birds in search of land. Even the Garden of Eden finds its roots in Eridu Genesis. What's more is the biblical flood precedes Jacob, so they weren't Isrealites. If you're going to believe nonsense, you should at least know a little bit about said nonsense. Quote: The bible is inspired by God and written down by man. Surely it's reasonable that some natural disasters end up in their text. What's unreasonable is the claim a fictitious character had any sort of hand in it at all. Edited by Sandy Shore, Sep 2 2016, 05:30 AM.



Dankness Lava	Sep 2 2016, 05:23 AM Post #39
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Nvm Edited by Dankness Lava, Sep 2 2016, 05:24 AM.



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 08:13 AM Post #40
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	Lazuli Sep 2 2016, 02:40 AM What's more is the biblical flood precedes Jacob, so they weren't Isrealites. If you're going to believe nonsense, you should at least know a little bit about said nonsense. I fixed that mistake where I called them Isrealites within 10 minutes of posting and a full 40 minutes before you made this post pointing out my mistake. Slip of the tongue. As for Gilamest that's nothing new and has been continually brought up since the 19th century due to the parallels. To me this sounds like a shared mythology of a historical event. There are numerous more flood stories from ancient sources all around the globe which is excellent evidence for the existence of a great flood from a historical point of view. You are claiming that the Hebrews borrowed this story and they didn't simply preserve it via their traditions. Can you give me any proof to support your claim? Edited by Ding, Sep 2 2016, 02:31 PM.
	Dingo Dingo


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 2 2016, 01:28 PM Post #41
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: As for Gilamest that's nothing new and has been continually brought up since the 19th century due to the parallels. To me this sounds like a shared mythology of a historical event. There are numerous more flood stories from ancient sources all around the globe which is excellent evidence for the existence of a great flood from a historical point of view. The texts more than likely borrowed from one another, though. Either that or the flood didn't occur the way that many of these texts say that it did. I say that because a flood of that magnitude (while not scientifically impossible) would have completely wiped out all of humanity. Men and animals surviving on a boat for an extended period of time during the flood would be scientifically impossible for a variety of reasons: 1. The dimensions for the ark that are listed in the Bible would have never been able to carry two of every species on the planet at that time. We know the dimensions because they are clearly stated in the Bible, and historians/scientists have recreated the ark. 2. If for some reason the ark could house all of those animals, there would be nothing stopping them from eating each other. There weren't metal cages back then, and lions, bears, etc. are much stronger than humans. You could argue that God willed them to behave, but that's just a cop-out. 3. Perhaps the most convincing argument. In the Bible, it is stated that the flood rose to cover the entire planet. No landscapes, landmarks, etc. would have been showing. That would actually put the ark at an elevation that would be unlivable, both for humans and animals. Also, with all landmarks being covered, the bird at the end of the story would have had no idea how to navigate. It was a dove, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was a dove. Doves don't have the same navigational skills that pigeons and ravens do anyway, so that also doesn't make sense. "It was guided by God" is also a cop-out answer because, by that logic, he could have just guided the ark. Makes no logical sense. 4. Salt water and fresh water mingling together in such a way would have killed all marine life, yet there is really no mention of marine life in the story. There are a lot more, but those are the ones I can remember. That isn't to say that a flood didn't happen, but if it did, it was no where near how it was described in the Bible. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Sep 2 2016, 01:29 PM.



Ding	Sep 2 2016, 01:40 PM Post #42
Posts: 671 Group: Duplicate Member #12,579 Joined: August 25, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime DDZ obviously What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball I suppose. Don't really read mango	OFG Sep 2 2016, 01:28 PM 1. The dimensions for the ark that are listed in the Bible would have never been able to carry two of every species on the planet at that time. We know the dimensions because they are clearly stated in the Bible, and historians/scientists have recreated the ark. "The Hebrew word 'erets can be translated as earth or land and har can be translated as either hills or mountains. This can lead to the understanding that the flood covered the highest hills within the region". If the flood was a regional event it's much more plausible that Noah could have collected pairs of all the regional animals. 2. If for some reason the ark could house all of those animals, there would be nothing stopping them from eating each other. There weren't metal cages back then, and lions, bears, etc. are much stronger than humans. You could argue that God willed them to behave, but that's just a cop-out. It's not really a cop-out. God has the animals all walk over to Noah so why would he send a bunch of animals and then let them run wild/mess up everything. 3. Perhaps the most convincing argument. In the Bible, it is stated that the flood rose to cover the entire planet. No landscapes, landmarks, etc. would have been showing. That would actually put the ark at an elevation that would be unlivable, both for humans and animals. Also, with all landmarks being covered, the bird at the end of the story would have had no idea how to navigate. It was a dove, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was a dove. Doves don't have the same navigational skills that pigeons and ravens do anyway, so that also doesn't make sense. "It was guided by God" is also a cop-out answer because, by that logic, he could have just guided the ark. Makes no logical sense. This goes back to point one. Translating ancient texts can be difficult. My personal belief is that the flood was not a world wide event. It was regional. 4. Salt water and fresh water mingling together in such a way would have killed all marine life, yet there is really no mention of marine life in the story. Again I believe that the flood was regional So basically if we're working under the assumption that the flood was a world wide event I agree with you; however, that's not my belief. Edited by Ding, Sep 2 2016, 02:02 PM.
	Dingo Dingo


Dankness Lava	Sep 2 2016, 01:49 PM Post #43
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Hey OFG would you be one to assert that if God can't do such stuff then he can't be all powerful?



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 2 2016, 01:51 PM Post #44
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Shining Light Sep 2 2016, 01:49 PM Hey OFG would you be one to assert that if God can't do such stuff then he can't be all powerful? What stuff? What do you mean?



Dankness Lava	Sep 2 2016, 01:57 PM Post #45
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Actually let me take a step back. Would you suggest that God can't have controlled the animals for example?



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