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Hillary Clinton
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 24 2016, 04:31 PM (2,327 Views)
Sam	Aug 25 2016, 05:47 PM Post #46
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	So what...? Are you serious? The average prisoner in America costs a Harvard tuition per year. And there is no war on drugs. Wars actually end. You can't win a war against an idea. I'm not an anti PC hipster. I've done my homework and have a ton of notes on both third party candidates. An entire pad of sticky notes on each candidate. Luke did make an excellent post, however. I do believe Benghazi was overblown. Individual liberties are my main thing with a fiscal approach to government. Edited by Sam, Aug 25 2016, 05:48 PM.
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Mihawk	Aug 25 2016, 05:56 PM Post #47
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DanielSan	Aug 25 2016, 06:07 PM Post #48
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Copy_Ninja Aug 25 2016, 05:44 AM She doesn't approve of TPP. She gave approval of it as secretary of State because the cabinet members owe loyalty to the administration and can't express a different opinion. She's been against it since she left office. Quote: I am having a hard time finding any left wing viewpoints with her. - Increase minimum wage - Increase taxes on corporations, reimplement glass stiegal and the buffet rule - Support unions - Supports immigrants - pro gun control - pro action on climate change - Changing drug sentences for low level offenders and focusing on prevention and treatment - pro social security and welfare - Recognises there's a racial divide and wants to fix it - Against Citizens United Quote: Also I will remind you she started The War on Drugs, which basically imprisoned massive amounts of people, especially minorities. Prominent black leaders supported the legislation at the time, it wasn't borne out of discrimination. There's a reason the Clinton's are popular with minorities. Quote: Her views on foreign policy, approval of the TPP, and her support for deregulation basically puts her as more right wing than left to me. She doesn't approve of the TPP. How is she supportive of deregulation? Quote: She also just recently started to support same-sex marriage So did Obama. So did a lot of Democrats. If you wanted someone that supported SSM from the beginning, you're narrowed down to very few people. She's 69 and was raised Christian, it's not easy to reverse on that kind of thing. Quote: Basically a trickle down feminist that only believes in women's rights if you have power and influence already, to hell with the poor and middle class! Quote: Also she doesn't give a crap about climate change, as she supports fracking. I don't support fracking but supporting it doesn't make you anti-climate change. Fracking is cleaner than a lot of other methods we use, as a way to transition while we deal with renewables. She has plenty of climate change policies, way better than the current administration and a country mile ahead of the republicans. Yes, Sanders is better from a liberal point of view. No denying that. But the idea that she's not liberal because she's not as liberal as the self described democratic socialist is absurd to me. I did say from a very left perspective. But I don't care. She is better than Trump. Also I shouldn't have said "liberal" as she is Liberal for sure. I meant to say left as in just left wing in general. All those stances you said are liberal in the Neo-liberal center left way, but just not in the left wing way. Also she is flip flop on TPP and is getting pro TPP people in here circle. Now she does say she is against it and she could be. You know Clinton the candidate is pretty left but some wonder if she will keep the promises. If she does then she will be okay. Do whatever you want. Edited by DanielSan, Aug 25 2016, 06:11 PM.



DanielSan	Aug 25 2016, 06:13 PM Post #49
Posts: 1,536 Group: Donator Member #5,730 Joined: February 14, 2011	Wagwan Aug 25 2016, 03:45 PM Quote: Also I will remind you she started The War on Drugs, which basically imprisoned massive amounts of people, especially minorities. So what? Out of all my points you attack this one? Okay. I will admit she did apologize for that. Still this is probably the strongest point I have, and all you say is so what?



Zoom	Aug 26 2016, 01:40 AM Post #50
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	She's a liar, i remember watching her lie when she was on David Letterman or some talk show, boosting about how experience she is because when her husband was President they traveled and had the secret service protect them because of the danger, but Letterman in the next week episode posted a video showing there was no danger at all. < I can't remember the exact details, but i remember Letterman posting the video which showed she lied. It's around the same time John McCain was trying to run and lied as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI



Wagwan	Aug 26 2016, 10:26 PM Post #51
Posts: 190 Group: Member Member #12,260 Joined: April 22, 2015	DanielSan Aug 25 2016, 06:13 PM Wagwan Aug 25 2016, 03:45 PM Quote: Also I will remind you she started The War on Drugs, which basically imprisoned massive amounts of people, especially minorities. So what? Out of all my points you attack this one? Okay. I will admit she did apologize for that. Still this is probably the strongest point I have, and all you say is so what? I don't know what your point is so what is it



~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 26 2016, 11:48 PM Post #52
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Political Piper	Aug 28 2016, 11:14 PM Post #53
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	She is a disgrace as a human, a disgusting, old decrepit liar. Here are some things for you to research. Chinagate Pardongate Travelgate Filegate Cattlegate Whitewater IRS abuses Clinton Foundation donations Emails Benghazi She told the victims of Benghazi that it was a video that caused the riot, yet she told her daughter that same night it wasn't a video. She lied to the family members just so Obama could get re-elected and she could continue with her pay-to-play foundation contributions. She is the biggest liar ever to run in political history. She claims she is against TPP, yet she doesn't give Obama permission to release her email to the public regarding her stance on TPP. That email will only be released after the election. She can't help herself, she lies about her lies and its blatantly obvious, so instead of apologizing she lies some more. I follow politics quite a bit, there has never been a candidate like her. Yet, her fans ignore the nefarious things she has done in her tenure. This woman is sick
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+ Emmeth	Aug 28 2016, 11:20 PM Post #54
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I feel like this last post is mainly Bill Gates scandals where she's not directly involved.
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Political Piper	Aug 28 2016, 11:39 PM Post #55
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Emmeth Aug 28 2016, 11:20 PM I feel like this last post is mainly Bill Gates scandals where she's not directly involved. Not sure if this was directed to my post? If so, far from it. These are issues that have happened in the past and have directly involved her. One thing I find irritating and I always have to explain to people is Hillary and her "exoneration" of her email scandal. People keep saying that FBI Director Comey found that she broke no laws and that was she completely innocent of the charges being sought against her. THIS IS NOT TRUE Comey said she WAS in violation of the statutes she was being sought against. Moreover, the statutes themselves do not state intent as an imperative. Comey stated that intent was an implication for the statute and therefore no reasonable prosecutor would indict based on a lack on intent. In essence, Comey said - I'm paraphrasing - since Hillary was not smart enough to realize that putting the names of CIA and foreign asset personal on a sever less secure than a G-mail account was a serious issue, she can not be blamed for her stupidity. Her incompetence regarding national security is what saved her. She is too dumb to realize she broke the law. We all know this is not true, she knew what she was doing, but for the sake of argument let's say she didn't know: Would we really want someone that clueless as President who would be involved with classified material on a daily basis? Can you imagine if Comey did recommend charges and the DOJ actually did indict her? The witness list would be HUGE: Obama, Biden, Michelle, every single person who emailed her would be called on to testify since every person who sent her an email would see they were sending it to a .com or a .org and not a .gov, which is a mandatory email address for Government personnel involved in security details. The case would take years; a scandal that could bring down the Government due to the capacity of individuals involved. Besides, Comey would be castrated for preventing the possibility of the first female President in history. But he did say her actions were reprehensible. And if an FBI agent did what she did they would lose their security clearance and be fired. Edited by Political Piper, Aug 28 2016, 11:40 PM.
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+ Emmeth	Aug 28 2016, 11:53 PM Post #56
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	That's her e-mails, which had nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Let me make it more clear on what I have an issue with (regarding your post): Chinagate, Pardongate, Travelgate and partially Whitewater. These all happened during Bill Clinton's period as president and it baffles me how you can blame Hillary for those with the exception of maybe Whitewater. Even the IRS audits were miniscule and the Cattlegate thing happened back in the 70s. You don't think people change at all? Anyway, I'm not disputing any of the other scandals, just acknowledging that they happened.
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Political Piper	Aug 29 2016, 02:58 AM Post #57
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Emmeth Aug 28 2016, 11:53 PM That's her e-mails, which had nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Let me make it more clear on what I have an issue with (regarding your post): Chinagate, Pardongate, Travelgate and partially Whitewater. These all happened during Bill Clinton's period as president and it baffles me how you can blame Hillary for those with the exception of maybe Whitewater. Even the IRS audits were miniscule and the Cattlegate thing happened back in the 70s. You don't think people change at all? Anyway, I'm not disputing any of the other scandals, just acknowledging that they happened. Correct. They happened under Bill, but the money donated after Bill pardoned the drug dealers went directly to both Clintons. Sure you could argue it wasn't her idea, just like you could argue it wasn't her idea to steal white house furniture or lie to the American people on a daily basis. That doesn't mean she is blameless. Bill was guilty of sexual assault, but Hillary was the one who hired private investigators to dig up dirt on Bill's victims. Bill pardoned the criminals but Hillary still spent the money, etc.. As for people changing . . . yes people can change, but if scandal after scandal follows you over your whole career regarding crime and corruption, there is no indication of change. Now I know you could say, "Well that's just right-wing bias attacking her to tarnish her reputation." Which is actually what she said about Bills affairs in the 90's, and most recently, about the investigation into her emails, both times she was shown to be wrong. She doesn't understand that the reason investigative committees investigate her is for her actions and not for her name. The two just go hand-in-hand. Now, is it possible that she was bad in the 80's and 90's, changed in the 2000's, then became bad again in the 2010's? Yes, it's possible. But her accepting cash from the Iranian government in 2008 for her Presidential campaign followed by her subsequent actions as Sec. State seems to indicate otherwise. It's unlikely that she became virtuous for 8 years then descended back down to scum right after that. People like her love power; they need it. Lastly, her lies to the American people are so vast it delineates her true nature. but I could be wrong
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+ Emmeth	Aug 29 2016, 03:20 AM Post #58
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Scandals follow most high-profile politicians in the US though. Most scandals are probably propaganda created by opponents or something. Either way, I think almost every politician are two different people; The politician and the family person. I've yet to see consistent lying claims on Clinton. All I hear is "she lies about everything" and all I've seen are twisted views and a few lies (which every politician do).
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Political Piper	Aug 30 2016, 02:01 AM Post #59
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Emmeth Aug 29 2016, 03:20 AM Scandals follow most high-profile politicians in the US though. Most scandals are probably propaganda created by opponents or something. Either way, I think almost every politician are two different people; The politician and the family person. I've yet to see consistent lying claims on Clinton. All I hear is "she lies about everything" and all I've seen are twisted views and a few lies (which every politician do). Fair enough. Hillary Lying for 13 minutes straight She said she only had 1 private server, she had seven. She said she only used one device, she had four. She said Bill sent her a lot of emails, Bill said he doesn't email. She said she wouldn't accept foreign money while Sec. State, she signed a contract stating this, she received 25 million from foreign entities. You can tell a lot about an individual by the content of the lies they create. Even when it is unnecessary to lie i.e - Bosnia. There are just so many to state it's hard to elaborate them, lol. A good area to start is to watch all of this years debates, compare them to the 2008 debates, then compare them to what she says now at her rallies. Yes people change, but she always says, "Well I've always stood up for..." then lies.. I doubt that you will do that, and I don't blame you, but people like me who see the debates and see the inconsistencies out of everything she says, even when confronted with her lies only to lie to get out of her lie becomes extremely irritating. She is a pathological liar, she truly cant' help herself. So much so, this is my contention so only conjecture, she could pass a polygraph while lying.. =\ I guess what irritates most people, and this is especially true with me, is when she pleads ignorance when confronted about a serious issue. Like when a reporter asked her if she wiped her server and she responds, "Like with a cloth?" Then she told us she deleted personal emails dealing with yoga, Chelsea's wedding, and emails from Bill. Then we find out Bill doesn't use email, and 15,000 of those "personal" emails were recovered from her staffs emails using Freedom of Informations Act, and it turns out they dealt with accepting money from foreign Governments. So her yoga emails weren't yoga emails. Lastly, we find out she didn't just delete her emails but used a encryption tool specifically designed to completely erase material from a computer to prevent recovery. So her patronizing response of "with a cloth" was an attempt to reduce the seriousness of her assertions by obscuring the depths of dedication she provided to try to erase all the "personal" material. It's just lies within lies within lies with her. She pleads ignorance and she gets away with it because she is so powerful. It symbolizes the corruption and dilapidation of Washington and creates an extreme apprehension of what this woman would do if she became President. Trump may be a moron, but he is no Hillary.
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~~Helvius Pertinax Augustus~~	Aug 31 2016, 05:36 PM Post #60
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