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| Mihawk | Aug 24 2016, 10:14 PM Post #31 |
 
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One of the two is objectively worse. |
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| + Son-Goku | Aug 25 2016, 12:14 AM Post #32 |
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That's my point, she picked him as the client knowing the situation. |
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| Tinny | Aug 25 2016, 12:21 AM Post #33 |
 
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...Can I just say this, if you're a lawyer you're legally and morally obligated to defend your client regardless of their actual guilt. Or would you rather be read your Miranda rights whenever you talk to an attorney? That said her laughing sounds very... Off. But for the actions themselves then I can't hold her accountable as a lawyer for those actions, you may as well arrest every defence attorney in the country, but then who will be there to protect you when you're accused? Without the lawyers vowing to defend their clients no matter what, you would not be able to depend on your defence attorney or public defender. Not to mention that a lawyer leaving because it's too hard or any number of reasons that have nothing to do with guilt would likely end an innocent's man chance of attaining a fair trial, after all his lawyer refused to defend him right? Edited by Tinny, Aug 25 2016, 12:26 AM.
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| + Steve | Aug 25 2016, 12:36 AM Post #34 |
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Yeah it's an odd point to hate her on...it was her job. Not super nice of course but nor is killing people as a soldier yet we hail them as heroes rather than lump them in jail proclaiming them murderers. Maybe she's Hitler reincarnate, maybe she's a half decent person. Can't blame her for defending a client in a job. |
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| Mihawk | Aug 25 2016, 12:38 AM Post #35 |
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Even if she did laugh the context could be important. She gets attacked a lot in the media (not saying this is a bad thing) so she could have been fending it off as a stupid question rather than her being "evil"/ |
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Aug 25 2016, 12:45 AM Post #36 |
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I have no ill feelings towards her. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Aug 25 2016, 02:51 AM Post #37 |
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Reasons she's so unpopular: 1 - She's done a few unpopular things. Imo, the email thing was blown massively out of proportion. The FBI said she shouldn't be indicted for it and that's with Comey (who people forget is a Republican who was AG under Bush) even using the opportunity to ring her out in public. It is not normal for the director of the FBI to do that, it was almost certainly to score political points. Yeah it was poor judgement but hardly the crime people are making out. You can also add on voting for the Iraq War and being SoS during Libya. 2 - Republicans hate the Clintons. They've been attacking her for 20 years because they knew she was going to run at some point. She's probably the most liberal of the mainstream Democrats and they don't like any of her policies. Why do you think there were so many congressional hearing on Benghazi? They were trying to make her look bad even though every single one of them cleared her of any wrong doing. Yet, because it's in the news so much many people see it as a negative against her. This lets people believe some of the more outlandish stuff such as the assassination conspiracy theory BS. 3 - Sanders fans hate her for not being liberal enough. Clinton is to the left of Obama but to the right of Sanders and for many that's not good enough. Add in the fact that the DNC clearly favoured Hilary and you have people screaming corruption. In reality, establishment Democrats favouring someone who has been an active Democrat for decades is hardly corruption, of course they like her. So far, there's nothing that shows that the actual process of nominating was corrupt. Favouritism from the DNC is bad and if there was something wrong with the way the nomination was achieved, she should be criticised for it. Problem is, people jump on it whether the proof is there or not because they want it to be true. 4 - She's considered a liar or flip flopped because she's changed her views on things. Stuff like gay marriage or the TPP. For some reason, changing your mind is seen as a bad thing in politics. Or maybe it's just bad when she does it, I don't know. Some of the same people are fine with Trump changing his opinions multiple times in the same day. She's acknowledged when she's changed her mind and why but people only see the change and not the reasons. Also, people like to give her shit for some of Bill's shortcomings while in office but no credit for his successes. Ho hum. 5 - An interesting point is that Hilary has low favorables when campaigning and high favorables when actually in office. She was re-elected to the Senate by a convincing margin. She had an approval rating in the mid-60s at the end of her tenure as Sec of State. She's well respected around the world. People always bring up Libya as if it was all her fault and not also the fault of about a dozen world leaders but forget how she was instrumental in the Iran nuclear weapons deal or bringing China to the table on climate change. She's actually quite good at the job. She knows policy, her campaign is very detailed about exactly what she wants to do and how she wants to do it. Tbh, if I were American I wouldn't have voted for her in the primaries because Sanders was a better candidate. However, in the general? Yeah, there's no doubt that she's the best in the field. And not just compared to Trump, she's better than Johnson (mostly because I completely disagree with almost everything libertarians stand for) and Stein too. People are going on about the candidates being 'equally bad' or 'the lesser of two evils.' To me, the choice seems pretty obvious. |
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Aug 25 2016, 03:03 AM Post #38 |
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Anyone who genuinely believes Trump would be the lesser evil between Hillary and him have no clue what they're talking about. They are both equally as bad, and it's simply a shame we allowed Zionists and their servants to infiltrate the top levels of our government. |
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| DanielSan | Aug 25 2016, 05:04 AM Post #39 |
 
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Okay this is coming from a guy that is voting for Jill Stein. Hillary Clinton is not a Liberal to me. Her views on foreign policy, approval of the TPP, and her support for deregulation basically puts her as more right wing than left to me. I am having a hard time finding any left wing viewpoints with her. Also I will remind you she started The War on Drugs, which basically imprisoned massive amounts of people, especially minorities. She also just recently started to support same-sex marriage and is a fake feminist. Basically a trickle down feminist that only believes in women's rights if you have power and influence already, to hell with the poor and middle class! She laughed when that rapist she defended got exonerated. She is basically a psychopath that wants nothing but powet at the cost of average Americans. Also she doesn't give a crap about climate change, as she supports fracking. Hillary Clinton the best candidate Billionaires can buy, yet she is nothing but a typical Neo-liberal politician. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Aug 25 2016, 05:44 AM Post #40 |
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She doesn't approve of TPP. She gave approval of it as secretary of State because the cabinet members owe loyalty to the administration and can't express a different opinion. She's been against it since she left office.
- Increase minimum wage - Increase taxes on corporations, reimplement glass stiegal and the buffet rule - Support unions - Supports immigrants - pro gun control - pro action on climate change - Changing drug sentences for low level offenders and focusing on prevention and treatment - pro social security and welfare - Recognises there's a racial divide and wants to fix it - Against Citizens United
Prominent black leaders supported the legislation at the time, it wasn't borne out of discrimination. There's a reason the Clinton's are popular with minorities.
She doesn't approve of the TPP. How is she supportive of deregulation?
So did Obama. So did a lot of Democrats. If you wanted someone that supported SSM from the beginning, you're narrowed down to very few people. She's 69 and was raised Christian, it's not easy to reverse on that kind of thing.
I don't support fracking but supporting it doesn't make you anti-climate change. Fracking is cleaner than a lot of other methods we use, as a way to transition while we deal with renewables. She has plenty of climate change policies, way better than the current administration and a country mile ahead of the republicans. Yes, Sanders is better from a liberal point of view. No denying that. But the idea that she's not liberal because she's not as liberal as the self described democratic socialist is absurd to me. |
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| Sam | Aug 25 2016, 06:01 AM Post #41 |
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As I said, I'm for Gary Johnson. I appreciate Copy_Ninja's post, especially with Benghazi being overblown. As much as I dislike Mrs. Clinton, I do believe the Benghazi attacks are overblown. Every single day during the Libyan Civil War/Arab spring I watched and read tweets from the rebels and the outcomes of victories on the battlefield. I also watched how America responded to the events that happened there leading to and after Muammar Gaddafi's death. The only major counterpoints I have is this: 1) When Hillary Clinton planned to become a U.S. Senator, she saw an easily obtainable seat in New York. She flew out there and claimed residency after only owning a home there for the minimum amount of time. She was almost never at said residence. It annoys me that she constantly acts like that New York is her home state when it is not whatsoever and she rode the Democratic parties' puppet strings to an easy Senate seat. Sure, this is politics as usual. But, the point I'll make at the end is the real point that matters. 2) Bernie Sanders has had far more political experience than Hillary Clinton has. It dumbfounds me that the black vote overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton when there are images of Sanders being arrested during the Civil Rights movement, marching for MLK Jr. The point here is, you take a name out of the hat. Donald Trump. Mitt Romney. Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders. Mike Pence. Tim Kaine. John McCain. Paul Ryan. It doesn't matter. America is corrupt because of its duopoly. The DNC exposure showed this, with Hillary Clinton aides and DNC officials coordinating attacks on a surging Bernie Sanders. At the time, he had won eight out of the last nine contests IIRC, including my home state of Wisconsin by a large margin. I'm absolutely positive that if the RNC had a similar leak, it would have as much dirt on its hands. The problem is the duopoly. We need to do away with the two parties. Not liking either candidate and yet voting for them is mind boggling and prevents no real change. Do you want to vote for a candidate because you believe in them, or for a candidate because you are against the other? This is why I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I believe in what he says and I am for him, not because I am necessarily against Trump or Clinton. Yes, I greatly dislike them both. But the person I want to believe in is getting my vote not because I want the others out of office, but, because I want him in office. If you view your candidate unfavorably, or if you're uncomfortable with the status quo; ignore the "you're wasting your vote" bullshit that they have tried feeding us for decades. As Ted Cruz put it in his potentially suicidal RNC speech, "vote your conscience". Look into the third party candidates. Dr. Jill Stein is a great candidate. Governor Gary Johnson, in my opinion, is the best candidate. If he makes it to 15% in the national polls (currently at about 13%), he will have to be included in the Presidential debates. Even if he doesn't win, the support Stein got and the fact that Johnson would be the first third party candidate to debate on the big stage since 1992 would show Americans that they aren't wasting their votes. If you're uncomfortable with your candidate, don't run away from them because you're afraid that what you do won't count. Vote for the person you're actually comfortable with voting for. I campaigned vigorously for then-Senator Barack Obama in 2008, when I was only 14 years old. I truly believed in him and had a cause. And he hasn't been a bad President. I'm proud to this day, even if he is a part of the failing and corrupt duopoly, of all the work that I did. Americans, and people all over the world, should be proud of their party and who they're voting for. Not so full of malice towards the other party that they're willing to sacrifice what they believe in. |
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Aug 25 2016, 02:48 PM Post #42 |
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Pretty much everything has been said already as to why I dislike her. I will say though, she seems very arrogant, entitled, robotic, and her voice induces powerful headaches. |
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| Mihawk | Aug 25 2016, 03:15 PM Post #43 |
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Copy_Ninja hit it out of the ball park and those posts are a good reason why I think this forum needs the rep addon. To comment on libertarianism - even if you disagree with small government and noninterventionism, one of the most important points of the ideology is the importance of individual liberty. It's something that liberals, moderates, and even traditional conservatives (well not alt-right anti-PC hipsters) can get together on when framed correctly. |
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| + Emmeth | Aug 25 2016, 03:28 PM Post #44 |
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Thanks to those who gave close-to-unbiased reasons on Clinton explaining why she's hated. I've actually learned a lot about her and I think I can conclude that she's like most politicians and probably a very different person in private (ie with her husband and family).
Edited by Emmeth, Aug 25 2016, 03:28 PM.
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| Wagwan | Aug 25 2016, 03:45 PM Post #45 |
 
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So what? |
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